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1 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 15, 2012 8:41:51pm

How any Hispanic can vote GOP is beyond me. Anything that doesn't jive with WASP ideas is an enemy according to the conservative core.

2 cinesimon  Sun, Jan 15, 2012 10:12:08pm

Though of course this kind of thing is hardly surprising anymore, it still totally blows my mind that 1) this can happen in our lifetimes given the past, and 2) that this is so little of an issue to those on the right - even actively supported by many.
And the frequency with which they call we on the left 'commies' and 'Nazis' speaks to just how far outside of reality this extremist ideological movement, now populated by mainstream republicans, has become.
It's terrifying.
Especially given the way in which their leaders have very successfully managed to demonize legitimate science, scientists, history and historians - to the point where lessons can no linger be learned from the past.
As far as the right is concerned, the future is a blank slate - and THEY will be the ones teaching all of us a lesson on what is right and wrong - no goddamn 'history' will show them the evil of their chosen actions and beliefs.
Fucking terrifying.

3 Lidane  Sun, Jan 15, 2012 10:34:34pm

re: #1 SpaceJesus

How any Hispanic can vote GOP is beyond me. Anything that doesn't jive with WASP ideas is an enemy according to the conservative core.

I've got plenty of Republican relatives and I'm Latina. Some of them are even birthers. Trust me, it's very easy for some of them to vote GOP. All it takes is plenty of Faux News and a false sense of entitlement because they're "rich".

It never dawns on them that they're voting against their own interests.

4 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:21:45am

From Horne's bio:

Horne was born March 28, 1945, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada to George Marcus and Ludwika Horne who had immigrated to Canada from Poland in fear of German invasion in the late 1930s. Horne became a U.S. citizen at age 9 when his parents gained U.S. citizenship in 1954. Most of his parents’ friends and extended family did not leave Poland and died in the Holocaust. As Jews, his parents escaped this fate by moving to Canada.

How anyone of Polish and Jewish heritage, whose immediate family was DIRECTLY affected by the Holocaust can even fathom language like "[This] is part of a civilizational war. He determined that Mexican American Studies is not based on Greco-Roman knowledge and thus, lies outside of Western Civilization." is simply beyond mind-blowing.

5 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 1:50:51am

re: #1 SpaceJesus

How any Hispanic can vote GOP is beyond me.

re: #2 cinesimon

Though of course this kind of thing is hardly surprising anymore, it still totally blows my mind that

re: #4 RadicalModerate

From Horne's bio:

How anyone of Polish and Jewish heritage, whose immediate family was DIRECTLY affected by the Holocaust can even fathom language like "[This] is part of a civilizational war. He determined that Mexican American Studies is not based on Greco-Roman knowledge and thus, lies outside of Western Civilization." is simply beyond mind-blowing.

And people wonder why I say conservative bigotry begins with self-loathing. None of this should surprise anyone.

These dumb, stupid confederate bigots running around Tuscon are no exception.

6 Tigger2005  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 3:44:18am

Was reading on Horne's Wikipedia page that he championed a law to prohibit curricula that: 1) Promote the overthrow of the United States government. 2) Promote resentment toward a race or class of people. 3) Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group. 4) Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.

I'm willing to admit this is a complicated issue. If there is a curriculum actually promoting these things it should be addressed...we don't need schools becoming hotbeds of racial resentment and strife. Students should be taught to appreciate the best of all cultures (including their own). But banning books is not the way to do this.

7 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 5:10:03am

I read the Wikipedia page, and confess I wasn't happy with it. It seemed a puff piece.

I forgot that when it come to politics and current events, Wikipedia isn't very trustworthy.

My bad.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 6:06:10am

re: #6 Tigger2005

Heh. #2 is the kicker. Teaching about awful shit white people have done-- isn't that likely to promote resentment?

9 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:00:24am

re: #6 Tigger2005

Was reading on Horne's Wikipedia page that he championed a law to prohibit curricula that: 1) Promote the overthrow of the United States government. 2) Promote resentment toward a race or class of people. 3) Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group. 4) Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.

I'm willing to admit this is a complicated issue. If there is a curriculum actually promoting these things it should be addressed...we don't need schools becoming hotbeds of racial resentment and strife. Students should be taught to appreciate the best of all cultures (including their own). But banning books is not the way to do this.

It kinda goes together, doesn't it? They're banning books that challenge the status quo of how this country was founded - the Christopher Columbus story - which generally leaves out how the Indians felt about being conquered. Those books actually fit all 4 of those criteria. I'm not sure they quite promote the overthrow of the U.S., but they can be seen as "anti-U.S." I suppose (1) They are also designed for a specific ethnic group and race - Indians and Hispanics (2/3). And advocate ethnic solidarity (4).

My question, why is this wrong? Shouldn't students have all the facts, or at least see the other side and let them form their own opinions? I think the racial resentment comes when one group of people is stifled or not allowed to express themselves. Knowledge is power. It's not evil.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 16, 2012 12:07:48pm

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