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1 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:26:52pm

If I were you I'd avoid the guy, and if need be any overt association with the MSA. I don't think there's any requirement in Islam to stay active in one's local student association, and it seems to cause you little but grief. On top of that some of the guy's language is genuinely troubling, especially the "I believe in the value of an 'eye for an eye'" shit followed by how much he hates the soldiers he views as murderers. He's also using with us or against us language, which wasn't helpful when Bush did it.

I'd just stay the hell away from the guy, stop thinking about him entirely. He sounds like the kind of asshole that thrives on conflict, so there's no probably no way you can engage the asshole without giving him the attention and satisfaction he's looking for.

Take up Tenkara fishing or something.

2 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:39:44pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

Thing is, it was a nice and warm place to be last year. Many people I got along with last year are still there.

It's just that, this year, it not nearly as friendly or warm. An imam I spoke to about 10 days ago said that the Saudi is probably the cause of colder atmosphere of the group. But being right doesn't make me feel any less lonely.

3 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:48:30pm

re: #2 ProLifeLiberal

Thing is, it was a nice and warm place to be last year. Many people I got along with last year are still there.

It's just that, this year, it not nearly as friendly or warm. An imam I spoke to about 10 days ago said that the Saudi is probably the cause of colder atmosphere of the group. But being right doesn't make me feel any less lonely.

Then try to keep up with friends you've made there, but do it outside the association and leave your negative feelings behind. It'll take more effort because you'll have to arrange outings, but if you can extend the friendships beyond the association they'll be more likely to last when school's finally over.

4 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:54:28pm

I think GDF is right. This guy is dangerous on any number of levels - emotional, political, religious. Avoid him. I also agree with his advice to engage your good friends away from the association. Have them over for dinner. Feeding friends, I find, is a good way to make friendships that last.

5 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 3, 2012 5:58:31pm

I'll second what the others have said: Stay away.

I don't know that this guy is personally is dangerous as a lot of these guys talk tough from the safety of their proverbial armchairs, but he could sway others towards taking a more extreme stance. In any event, his attitude is negative and that's NOT going to help you feel better or improve your outlook.

Complain to the school, or to whoever is in charge of the MSA, anonymously, if necessary. If you and your friends don't have a place to meet aside form whatever the MSA provides, why not approach the imam and ask if he can provide you guys with space in the mosque or wherever (if that's feasible, as I have no idea if that would be convenient for everyone).

6 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:48:00am

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Addendum:

There are many hadiths & verses from the Qur'an about the obligation Muslims have to enjoin what is good/just, and forbid what is evil/unjust.

Qur'an - Surah at-Tawbah (The Repentance)
The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Apostle. On them will God pour His mercy: for God is Exalted in power, Wise. {9:71}

Sahih Muslim - Book 1, Hadith 79
I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: "He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith." —Narrated on the authority of Tariq b. Shihab

Generally speaking, if someone is only harming himself by his words/actions, I'd leave it alone as it's between him & Allah (swt), BUT if his words/actions have the potential to harm others, either spiritually or physically, then it needs to be addressed.

If you choose to address it, it should be done quietly & privately with someone in charge who has experience. Once you've done that, then trust their judgment and leave it alone and let them handle it (if you don't trust their judgment, then it would be foolhardy to ask them to intervene in the first place).

Don't overstep the bounds and/or insert yourself into the middle of it unless things get worse—you lack the knowledge & experience to handle such situations, and making a serious misstep will only serve to damage your own reputation . IOW, maintain a calm, balanced approach and know your limits.


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