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1 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:08:05am

Not intended to be a factual statement!

2 Sionainn  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:21:23am

While there are plenty of people who find Huckabee charming and nice, I find him to be a vile liar and always have. Stupid religious zealots who always have to resort to lies to get anyone on their side.

3 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:43:02am

There are two things to remember about modern Republicans 1) They always lie and lie with no consequences because their followers won't do any research to verify their claims or will reject and contrary facts later. 2) Whatever they accuse the left or Democrats of, they are doing themselves. See: Newt and adultery, the Palins and abstinence before marriage, Indiana GOP and voter fraud, TPers on scooters paid for by Medicare, etc.

Lies and deflection is all the modern GOP is and they have a base that has been hardwired over the last 30 years to be too ignorant to notice or not care as long as the lies are about people they don't like.

4 dragonfire1981  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 7:56:30am

I had a discussion about this with a right wing friend if mine who disputed all my facts as being "falsehoods spread by the liberal media" or "misinformation disseminated by the US government to hide the truth."

I would have better luck talking to a brick wall than to some of these people.

5 calochortus  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:35:38am

re: #4 dragonfire1981

I try to preface that sort of discussion with the question: What would convince you that X was true? If the answer is "nothing", then you have to point out that this is an article of faith not reason. At least it will save fruitless discussion time and could plant a tiny seed of doubt in a closed mind (though I wouldn't hold my breath on the latter.)

6 RogueOne  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 8:47:07am

Ezra Klein: About that chart

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Charlotte Allen says it’s misleading:

One way Planned Parenthood massages the numbers to make its abortion business look trivial is to unbundle its services for purposes of counting. Those 10.1 million different medical procedures in the last fiscal year, for instance, were administered to only 3 million clients. An abortion is invariably preceded by a pregnancy test — a separate service in Planned Parenthood’s reckoning — and is almost always followed at the organization’s clinics by a “going home” packet of contraceptives, which counts as another separate service. Throw in a pelvic exam and a lab test for STDs — you get the picture. In terms of absolute numbers of clients, one in three visited Planned Parenthood for a pregnancy test, and of those, a little under one in three had a Planned Parenthood abortion.

I’ve asked Planned Parenthood if they have any disagreement with Allen’s analysis. If they do, I’ll update the post.

Update: Tait Sye, spokesman for Planned Parenthood, e-mails: “I would say the chart is intended to capture the breadth of care we provide. We are very transparent in what the chart represents, and the number of women who come to PP for care. I don’t know how they get 1 in 3, but if you want to follow their mathematical logic, you would take number of patients and divide by number of abortions. So, about 1 in 10 women who come to PP, come for abortion care (assuming a woman does not come for a 2nd abortion). 3 million women/ 329,000 abortions.”

7 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:46:02am

Huckabee the preacher obviously thinks that lying for God is the honorable thing to do. I don't for a moment believe he doesn't know better. His religion is the religion of deceit.

8 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:48:46am

re: #6 RogueOne

In terms of absolute numbers of clients, one in three visited Planned Parenthood for a pregnancy test, and of those, a little under one in three had a Planned Parenthood abortion.

That comes to about 1/10, not 1/3.

9 RogueOne  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 9:53:29am

re: #8 Naso Tang

That comes to about 1/10, not 1/3.

It doesn't come to 3% or 33%.

10 Obdicut  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:24:57am

re: #9 RogueOne

It doesn't come to 3% or 33%.

Er, it'd be 11.1%. And I really don't get what Klein is talking about. If I go to the doctor to get treatment for a retinopathy treatment, and they also give me a dietary plan, that doesn't mean the dietary plan is retinopathy treatment. Giving someone who had an abortion contraceptives is giving someone who's sexually active a contraceptive. It isn't a treatment for abortion, so why should it be included among abortion services?

11 andres  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 11:56:15am

re: #2 Sionainn

He's nice and charming in the "I'd go have some beers with him" sense.

In a politician sense, he's quite dangerous.

12 Hal_10000  Sun, Feb 5, 2012 3:11:15pm

I find that chart deceptive for the reasons noted above. You're comparing apples to oranges. Abortion is the most expensive and involved procedure PP provides and they are one of the largest providers in the country. If PP decided to stop providing abortions tomorrow, I doubt their support among pro-choicers would remain as strong.

I'm pro-choice and think Komen acted ridiculously. But let's not pretend that abortion is an incidental sideline for PP. It's not nearly as important as their services in birth control and counseling, yes. But it's not a teeny tiny sliver of their mission either.


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