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1 ThomasLite  Feb 8, 2012 10:49:31am

its just the drawback of having such a big market presence, really. pressure groups have to start somewhere, and using a big, recognizable target to create public involvement is in no way new.

still, I agree Apple is no worse than most other tech companies - and it’s not really even their fault, primarily. Chinese labor laws permit these conditions, and that’s what’s really gotta change. not going to happen as it would cost them their competitive advantage, but one can dream ;)

2 EiMitch  Feb 8, 2012 11:22:45am

The only way to get modern electronics without exploiting Chinese workers is to not have them made in China at all. Like TL just said, China isn’t going to change their laws for the better anytime soon. Human lives are too cheap over there.

3 MichaelJ  Feb 8, 2012 11:40:58am

Pressuring an American company to change Chinese laws and conditions is just plain silly. One company isn’t going to change the way an entire country is run. Furthermore, suppose Apple decides to stop all production in China - do you think Dell, HP, MS and others would follow suit? Not a chance. All that would happen is that Apple prices would go up and they would lose the competitive pricing advantages that every single other company would retain.

The only way to really make a difference is to speak with your own wallet and not buy anything made in China. If enough people did this, it would have far more impact on China than making Apple put pressure on the few suppliers they use. I’m not holding my breath until this happens, so please everyone STFU about how horrible Apple is for making things in China already!

4 MichaelJ  Feb 8, 2012 11:42:50am

re: #1 ThomasLite

By the way, Walmart and Target also have huge market presence, but no one is complaining about them. Just sayin…

5 Joanne  Feb 8, 2012 1:36:38pm

I completely disagree. I am a huge Apple fan. I have two iPhones, two iPods, and iPad and a MacAir. Apple is the most visible and probably largest manufacturer using Chinese labor. Why not pressure them to improve the worker’s conditions? They have clout.

Personally, I would rather see labor come here. At least some of it.

The Chinese workers at WalMart are unionized.

6 MichaelJ  Feb 8, 2012 1:46:06pm

re: #5 JustJay

Apple is the most visible and probably largest manufacturer using Chinese labor. Why not pressure them to improve the worker’s conditions? They have clout.

Because they are already doing more than most. Why not put pressure on China to improve conditions?

BTW, did you happen to read the article about Walmart? I find the first paragraph pretty telling. It clearly shows why I say pressure China, not Apple. Here’s that paragraph:

Wal-Mart’s latest agreement with the Chinese government is proof that if you’re going to do business in China, you’ve got to play by the rules.

7 Joanne  Feb 9, 2012 7:38:10am

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I think both are appropriate. While pressure can be applied to China (by…whom exactly?), I think the pressure means more coming from one of its biggest customers.

8 MichaelJ  Feb 9, 2012 9:47:15am

re: #7 JustJay

While pressure can be applied to China (by…whom exactly?)

Suppose the U.S. Government applied trade sanctions, tariffs or other such measures to Chinese imports until working conditions improved. Don’t you think that would be more effective “pressure” than anything a customer could do? After all, customers of China have to “play by the rules”. Apple is a high profile customer, but they are not even close to being big enough to sway the Chinese government into changing their policies. Computer parts are just one of the many things made in China. You really should read this article.


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