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1 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 9:45:46am

Tea Party, thy name is hypocrisy.

2 FreedomMoon  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 11:17:50am

Basically their logic is this: The government only helps out blacks and latinos. I am neither, therefore I must hate them because they are stealing my tax dollars.

3 nines09  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 11:31:53am

Somebody somewhere is getting something for nothing, and it just might be you,imbecile.

4 aagcobb  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 12:24:01pm

There is a major problem in getting accurate information to these people. They hear constantly that the country is going broke and we are placing an unsustainable burden on their children and grandchildren, and no-one can afford higher taxes. The reality is that total American debt has dropped significantly, and the rich are paying the lowest tax rates in decades. The GOP is not protecting the children and grandchildren of the middle class from paying this debt in the future, its protecting the 1% from paying a reasonable amount now. The country can and should provide a strong social safety net and invest in infrastructure and education, which we can not only afford, but which will also strengthen the economy.

5 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 12:53:22pm

This reminded me of a commenter on another blog i saw a few years back. She was very angry and only writing in all caps because she just could not stand liberal welfare takers anymore. She was Tea party, States rights crazy. Her argument was she grew up with a single mother because her father died. Her Mother did not under any circumstances ever use government help or take from hard working American taxpayers. Her mother raised her and her siblings just fine through a full time job and a monthly S.S check they received after her father (who worked for the Federal government) died.

6 BishopX  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 1:01:26pm

I didn't get a sense from the article that these people are hypocrites. I think many of them are somewhat ashamed that they're taking government money, and are acting out of that impulse.The vast majority of Americans want to do their part to fix the fiscal problems of the federal government. The two approaches to doing this (raising revenue or cutting spending) are both valid at a macro level, and people tend to focus on the side which impacts them the most. For the conservatives in this article who are receiving help from the government, they want a little less help. The blue-staters who pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits want to pay a little more rather than lose benefits.

I think the racial and economic divisions that people play up are really secondary in this case.

7 calochortus  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 3:09:32pm

re: #6 BishopX

That was the sense I got from the article too. These folks are embarrassed that they are depending on the government and want to return to a time when they feel, whether it is an accurate perception or not, that it was less necessary.
There is some merit to the idea that fewer people should be getting direct government aid-it is hard for someone to refuse benefits that others in their position get and thus place themselves at a disadvantage.

I wonder if it might not be better to provide funding for government infrastructure projects and the like that would give the economy a boost and lead to higher wages might not be a better solution. However, I'm not an economist and have no idea how the details would work. Or if they would work...

8 cinesimon  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 4:54:10pm

It blows my mind that it's only now that the editors of the NYT decides to OK such great journalism.
Where the hell were they during the summer of rage?
Or for that matter, any other journalistic endeavor that had a large readership?
Of course the answer is obvious: too busy being politically correct, avoiding any reality or honesty on this issue for fear of being attacked by the right wing.

This also confirms what I've always believed when so many slag off all of journalism: there are plenty of really great journalists out there, even in such companies such as the NYT and Washington Post. The main problem is, their bosses are far too invested in the narrative, and protecting their corporate interests, to be interested in the public good and engaging the public in honest discourse.

9 BishopX  Sun, Feb 12, 2012 5:13:50pm

re: #8 cinesimon

The other issue is that stories like this take time. My guess is they started thinking about some of this stuff in October or November, did some background research to find a community to highlight in December and flew reporters in in Jan. Add in a few weeks for editing and it seems reasonable. Remember that this is the NYTimes, which has previously sat on major stories for months or years before publishing.

The reason they're not doing so well isn't lack of quality reporting, it's the fact that they're too slow for their readers. News organization no longer have "initiative", now they need to report on what the narrative is about or risk loosing readers.

10 cinesimon  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 12:06:18am

BishopX I understand what you're saying, but I'm not talking months too late- I'm talking years. The summer of rage was what - less than a year after Obama took office? Now we're heading into re-election year!

11 BishopX  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 5:05:54am

re: #10 cinesimon

Good point, although to be honest my guess is that the occupy movement had more to do with spurring this movement than the tea party.

12 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 13, 2012 7:48:19am

I guess this was my problem with the TP. Acting like the government is so bad and yet so many of them rely on the government. But then again we all to differing degrees rely on the government. I was having a conversation with my Dad about government and government efficiency. He was remembering that when he was in central America in the early 70's that the roads were awful. Alot of people ignore the fact that most roads are government funded and maintained. There are certainly areas where government should have less a role but I will never buy into "government is evil" mentality that I see with many. I don't think the key is big or small government but rather "good government" as Orwellean as that may sound to some.


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