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1 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:55:46am

Did Politifact look at this?
[Link: www.gallup.com...]

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2 Coracle  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:06:39am

re: #1 Daniel Ballard

They say they looked at Gallup data. However, apparently they decided to ignore what the data actually said.

3 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:12:21am

Most people conflate plurality and majority. It's too nuanced for the average voter. I wonder where I would fit, as I consider myself to be a conservative in fiscal policy, how I view the Bill Of Rights, but I'm very liberal in terms of social behavior like alternate lifestyles.

Except I detest adultery & yet have no concern about marriages that are "open".

4 shecky  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 11:47:11am

Heh. Balloon-juice did this post earlier:

Marco Rubio says that a majority of America is conservative even though a national poll says that 40% of them are. Polifact Truth-o-meter reading: “Mostly True”.

Ron Paul says that a majority of America wants a return to the gold standard even though a national poll (Rasmussen) says that 44% of them do. Polifact Truth-o-meter reading: “False”

I guess a plurality is a majority if you’re Marco Rubio, but not Ron Paul. Perhaps Politifact can publish a list of politicians for whom the rules of simple arithmetic still apply, or maybe they should just close up shop since they have not a shred of credibility left.

5 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:29:53pm

Politifact has an email where anyone can challenge the rating. They have changed in the past when they saw where they were wrong. I wrote them earlier with some links from the lively, lengthy discussion from a Page I did yesterday.

6 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:33:36pm

re: #4 shecky

Heh. Balloon-juice did this post earlier:

That's quite an overstatement. One can easily show Politifact (and factcheck.org) has this stuff right with just a few exceptions.

7 Coracle  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:15:29pm

re: #6 Daniel Ballard

I would very much like Politifact, or a site with the same purview to be a bastion for getting to the truth of claims. I also think by and large they hit more than they miss, but that makes cases like this one so much more infuriating. It keeps them from being a truly reliable source.

8 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 15, 2012 5:30:50pm

Politifact's problem is that they take everything literally, as if a politician states a half truth meaning it as a half truth and pretending that listeners will know the other half. Politicians give half truths when they want to hide the real truth. That is no different from a lie.


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