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1 researchok  Feb 28, 2012 10:26:58am

Choice is a big tent.

While I do not agree with some of what she written, clearly she has given her position thought.

I wish her well.

2 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Feb 28, 2012 10:35:08am

I don’t get what people even mean when they say they’re abstinent. Everyone’s abstinent until the next time they have sex.

I think the phrase ‘continent’ applies more, but it’s too related to urine in people’s minds.

3 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Feb 28, 2012 10:36:19am

Oh and this:

When people follow the basic tenets of Judeo-Christian sexual morality, they lead better lives

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian sexual morality.

4 Flavia  Feb 28, 2012 10:48:47am

re: #3 Obdicut

Oh and this:

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian sexual morality.

Yeah, I get tired of people lumping us together when what they really want to do is push Xianity & have it not sound so arrogant. But she’s not really trying to do that, so I let it slide.

5 Buck  Feb 28, 2012 10:57:54am

“I am not going to sleep with one more guy, until I am sure he’s the one.”

There is a movie out with that theme.

What’s Your Number? (2011)

Ally reads an article in a women’s magazine stating that women that have slept with more than twenty guys usually do not get married. Ally counts her affairs and realizes that she has slept with exactly twenty boyfriends. Ally decides that the next man that she sleeps with will be her husband.

6 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Feb 28, 2012 11:00:11am

re: #4 Flavia

There’s not even such a thing as Christian sexual morality. It varies far, far too widely.

7 Locker  Feb 28, 2012 11:03:09am

If you are dating a man who couldn’t care less if you have sex with him or not I’d say you are dating a gay man.

8 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Feb 28, 2012 11:04:13am

re: #7 Locker

If you are dating a man who couldn’t care less if you have sex with him or not I’d say you are dating a gay man.

Yeah, it least should be at least hot, hot self-restraint, with lots of “God, I really want to, but…”

Otherwise, congrats, you’ve got an abnormally low sex drive, so your stuff doesn’t really apply to me.

9 Buck  Feb 28, 2012 11:07:22am

There is a lot of very pleasurable hot “sex” that doesn’t have to include ‘baby making’ penetration. There are also more than a few ‘baby making’ accidents that didn’t include penetration.

10 Rightwingconspirator  Feb 28, 2012 11:18:14am

re: #3 Obdicut

Oh and this:

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian sexual morality.

Clearly she was speaking in a generalized context of what she has been taught. And she makes a fair point about the advantages of her decision.

11 Decatur Deb  Feb 28, 2012 11:24:33am

I’m sure Kristen will check back with us when she stops being abstinent.

12 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Feb 28, 2012 11:26:02am

re: #10 Daniel Ballard

Yeah, it’s a silly generalization. I really dislike religious people who claim morality as an output of their religion.

This part is especially silly:

When people follow the basic tenets of Judeo-Christian sexual morality, they lead better lives. They lead lives of loving responsibility in which they react to positive pregnancy tests with tears of joy, hugs, and excited phone calls, as opposed to panic-barfing and fear-sweat.

No, when people followed the tenets of strict anti-contraception religions, such as Catholicism, they often greeted a new pregnancy with dread, as to how they were to care or feed for the new child.

And no matter how often the phrase “There is no foolproof method against pregnancy is abstinence” is uttered, it will never stop being a silly phrase. Abstinence isn’t something that’s perfectly adhered to. The number of people who manage it is vanishingly small. This woman may be one of them. She may not be. I won’t judge her if she isn’t.

Trying not to have sex for bad psychological reasons is a perfectly good goal. Trying not to have sex unless it’s meaningful to you, perfectly good. But there isn’t anything about marriage that sanctifies sex. You can still have irresponsible sex after marriage, with your spouse. You can still have sex with a spouse where you’re doing it for bad psychological reasons.

It’s really bizarre for people to act like sex inside the context of marriage is automatically psychologically healthier.

13 calochortus  Feb 28, 2012 11:45:15am

re: #7 Locker

If you are dating a man who couldn’t care less if you have sex with him or not I’d say you are dating a gay man.

I think the “couldn’t care less” was about revealing that the couple is sexually abstinent.

My reaction to this incredible baring of her soul is “so what?” I’m glad she and her boyfriend have made a decision that works for them. If it is in line with their religious beliefs, that’s great. No spittle flew at my computer screen.

I simply hope she will not try to impose what works for her on everyone else. She claims to have special insight because she has lived the “other life” and she is now happier. This does not mean that her experience can be generalized to the whole world. Circumstances differ.

14 philosophus invidius  Feb 28, 2012 12:02:16pm

Her attraction to “Judeo-Christian” morals seems to be purely instrumental: she thinks they will protect her from being hurt by men who are using her. Maybe there is some truth to that.

But what I can’t stand is when she says that she “personally believes” something.

15 Eclectic Infidel  Feb 28, 2012 4:38:36pm

re: #3 Obdicut

Oh and this:

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian sexual morality.

Indeed, Biblical principles on sex are rather barbaric.

16 Eclectic Infidel  Feb 28, 2012 4:41:51pm

re: #7 Locker

If you are dating a man who couldn’t care less if you have sex with him or not I’d say you are dating a gay man.

Unless he shares the same values of course.

That said, it would be very interesting to read about his perspective on this.

17 Citizen Bob  Feb 28, 2012 7:36:58pm

Just another little girl who hates herself for becoming a woman. Perhaps her daddy will love her again if she acts like a child. I have no idea why this was posted here, except to illustrate how much the self-righteous crave validation, and feel persecuted by the mere existence of people who don’t care. She thinks people are screaming at their monitors, “flecks of spittle” etc.? No, not really, kid. Her characterizations of adult activities are adorably naive, but as long as she understands the difference between Ghandi’s “being the change” and forcing your beliefs on others, she may not have a lifetime of emotional disorders. Maybe she’ll get lucky and Peter Pan or a sparkly vampire will rescue her.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Feb 28, 2012 10:48:13pm

Uh, if she’s happy, I’m happy.

Yes, she sounds a bit preachy, but people who’ve made changes in their lives often want to justify them to other people.

There’s no rule that you have to have sex outside marriage.

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Feb 29, 2012 12:11:29am

I am so not interested in what people on the internet needy for attention want to tell me about their lack of a sex life


Wow! You sure don’t have much experience in things, congratulations!


Next up, an intensely personal blog post by the same woman about how she doesn’t have a passport and has never eaten thai food

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Feb 29, 2012 12:12:01am

re: #3 Obdicut

Oh and this:

There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian sexual morality.

this forever

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Feb 29, 2012 12:12:40am

re: #12 Obdicut

It’s really bizarre for people to act like sex inside the context of marriage is automatically psychologically healthier.

This also, forever

22 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person  Feb 29, 2012 1:27:51am

Ironically, once she gets married and starts having kids she’s still not going to be having any sex!


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