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1 researchok  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 2:27:04pm

Have you seen this on Politico?

It will be an interesting SCOTUS season, for sure.

2 Bob Levin  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 2:41:01pm

re: #1 researchok

It’s a safe bet that the White House is none too pleased with CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, who called today’s Supreme Court hearings “a train wreck for the Obama administration.”

Got to love the xspurts. That is the most hyperbolic use of hyperbole ever in the history of all civilization.

Worst case: Someone has to do a rewrite. The sky is falling.

3 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 4:32:06pm

There are only two ways to achieve universal health care: insurance mandates and single payer. That’s it. If you can’t have mandate, you are only left with single payer. Not that anyone will bother with health care reform for another 2-3 decades or so, because it’s won’t be worth the trouble. I guess this shit will just have to fall under the burden of it’s own weight. Why is this country so damn stupid that we have to wait for the worst possible situation to occur before we do anything? Our health care system is unsustainable. It won’t get any cheaper nor will it produce better outcomes. We let somebody fix it or it falls apart.

4 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:56:01pm
5 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 6:57:51pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

We are not as evolved as we like think.

6 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:03:40pm

re: #5 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

We are not as evolved as we like think.

Basically Americans want free shit regardless of their political leanings. They want a free market system (lots of options), that operates like a government controlled system (cost and price controls) but they don’t want to pay any more taxes or get insurance to get it. Our political system doesn’t make health care impossible, Americans make health care impossible.

7 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:05:53pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

There are only two ways to achieve universal health care: insurance mandates and single payer. That’s it. If you can’t have mandate, you are only left with single payer. Not that anyone will bother with health care reform for another 2-3 decades or so, because it’s won’t be worth the trouble. I guess this shit will just have to fall under the burden of it’s own weight. Why is this country so damn stupid that we have to wait for the worst possible situation to occur before we do anything? Our health care system is unsustainable. It won’t get any cheaper nor will it produce better outcomes. We let somebody fix it or it falls apart.

Insurance mandates from states would be perfectly legal.

8 Achilles Tang  Tue, Mar 27, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #7 Daniel Ballard

Insurance mandates from states would be perfectly legal.

Proving what; that as a nation we can’t accomplish big things collectively, but as states we can dribble towards a common goal over generations?

Sounds like Africa to me.

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 6:35:52am

re: #8 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang

Ad absurdum argument there dude.
Africa? Really?

10 Achilles Tang  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 7:04:32am

re: #9 Daniel Ballard

Ad absurdum argument there dude.
Africa? Really?

I don’t know about absurd, but a bit of a broad brush, I agree in the light of morning.

11 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 7:28:08am

Well, Justice Kennedy, I may not have the duty to save said blind person but I do have the responsibility.

You and your ilk are doing far worse than not saving the hypothetical blind person. You’re pushing them in front of the car.

12 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 7:42:01am

Instead of viewing it like it currently is as a mandate with punishments it should be argued like this.


Everyone’s taxes have just gone up X% where X is the amount you would be find if you don’t pay for healthcare.

Then you get to file for an X% rebate /deduction on tax day if you can prove you’re buying healthcare.

Is there anyone here who would argue that something like that isn’t constitutionally legal?

13 surlymarv  Wed, Mar 28, 2012 8:16:42am

re: #12 jamesfirecat

The biggest problem I see here is that Democrats went out of their way to specifically argue and promise that the mandate was not a tax when they were passing the ACA. Your reasoning essentially makes sense to me but I think Kagan said something yesterday about the Democrats initial arguments mattering.


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