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1 dragonfire1981  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:35:23am

Self defense? Wow, I hope he gets nailed to the wall for that one.

2 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 5:47:24am

Beware when you battle monsters,
lest you become a monster.
And when you gaze into the abyss,
the abyss gazes also,
into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche

3 jhncsy  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 6:37:40am

This story sounds like the punchline to a Far Side cartoon or something- which is a good indicator of how utterly insane Breivik and his fellow travelers are. "I had to blow up that orphanage, your honor. It was self defense!"

4 nines09  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 7:48:42am

A totally sane Murderer

5 Aye Pod  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:22:54am

re: #4 Krathing Daeng

A totally sane Murderer

Yep, his actions were those of an evil psychopath, not a psychotic.

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 8:23:49am

Self defense? Okay Brevik, good luck with that one.

7 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 11:39:13am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Self defense? Okay Brevik, good luck with that one.

Doesn't matter what defense he presents, he will be locked up for the rest of his life.

8 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:10:25pm

You have to understand the "logic" that these people (white supremacists) use and what passes for "facts" within their circle.

Premise: All other races are intellectually inferior to the white race.

Premise: All other races are developmentally (mental/emotional stability) inferior to the white race.

Premise: The white race is solely responsible for the development of Industrial civilization, the advancement of science, and the concept of the rule of law.

Premise: Races other than the white race have been unable (even given thousands of years to try) to develop "stable" and "enlightened" governance/civilization based on the "sanctity of individual rights."

Premise: The white race is declining in numbers, mainly due to the availability of contraception and abortion.

Premise: The worldwide population of non-whites is growing exponentially and the white race is now an ever shrinking minority.

Premise: The loss of white majority control in Europe/Canada/United States will quickly result in a second "dark age" period as traditional society completely breaks down into multicultural dominated anarchy.

Premise: The white race is actually threatened with extinction due to widespread interbreeding with other races due to immigration of non-whites into traditionally white race populated countries.

Premise: Large scale immigration of non-white races into traditionally white countries has subverted the political process and created laws and regulations designed solely to give non-whites "special rights" and oppress those attempting to support the rights of the white race.

Premise: Ineffectual and weak leftist/multiculturist Governments are now actively the enemy of those who believe that the white race is threatened with extinction.

Premise: By being a non-white in a traditionally white race dominated country you are helping to encourage interbreeding, subversion of the political system, destruction of the existing culture, and taking job opportunities away from whites.

Therefore: Non-whites are committing genocide against the white race simply by living in traditionally white regions, and any response, including violence, by white race loyalists is therefore entirely justifiable as self defense against the white race's future extinction.

This is exactly what these people believe, it really, really is, just spend enough time reading the threads and their comments on the sites inside their self re-enforcing circle of hatred and paranoia.

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Apr 16, 2012 1:31:26pm

Same shit the Nazis claimed. And lynchings in the US South always contains a microcosm of the same idea.

I couldn't prove it, but I'll speculate that it's a common trend amongst bigots; they imagine themselves "attacked" in some abstract fashion by ideas or acts they don't like, and therefore their violence is defensive.

I'd suggest this list by Umberto Eco when looking at fuckers like Breivik or the whole rotten mass of Al Qaeda.

10 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Apr 17, 2012 3:10:16pm

Please regard:

8.05am Before the court started, journalists were spoken to by the translators who said that "self-defence" was a misleading translation for the grounds for acquittal Breivik is invoking. A better translation would be "necessity", they said as the clause he's referring to is about defence of property and defence of others, not solely about defence of your own person.

08.28am While we wait for a decision, more on the clarification from the translators regarding Breivik's defence of "necessity" rather than "self-defence". In Norway section 47 of the penal code states:

Quote No person may be punished for any act that he has committed in order to save someone's person or property from an otherwise unavoidable danger when the circumstances justified him in regarding this danger as particularly significant in relation to the damage that might be caused by his act.


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