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1 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 10:59:21am

It’s a hoax.

2 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:00:24am

See the discussion starting from here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 11:39:30am

The Daily Mail’s daily fail.

4 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 1:34:14pm

They got nice pictures sometimes, though.

5 Achilles Tang  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 1:49:13pm

That it is not immediately recognized as a hoax is however unfortunate.

6 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 5:22:53pm

re: #5 Flame Fin Tomini Tang

That it is not immediately recognized as a hoax is however unfortunate.

Unfortunate, but not unexpected, especially when there are quotes by purported opponents, none of whom are familiar names in the US or any other western country.

7 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Apr 26, 2012 8:43:31pm

Jay Leno just did a bit on this … The audience gasped

8 Ghost of CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:01:39am

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Unfortunate, but not unexpected, especially when there are quotes by purported opponents, none of whom are familiar names in the US or any other western country.

All the more reason to avoid jumping the gun on such an outrageous claim, especially considering that necrophilia is a nearly universal taboo.

9 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:14:58am

The story is a pretty good test of the success of both the drive to demonize Islam, and the campaign to demonize governance. There is no story a good portion of the electorate won’t believe if it’s about Muslims or worldwide politicians/bureaucrats.

“Government is not the solution, government is the problem.”

10 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:32:48am

re: #8 CuriousLurker

All the more reason to avoid jumping the gun on such an outrageous claim, especially considering that necrophilia is a nearly universal taboo.

Many events in that part of the world continue to be shocking by western standards when amputations, stoning sentences and indiscriminate bombing of civilians take place on a regular basis. No religion is immune from criticism, including Islam. And in recent times, fanatics acting in the name of that particular religion have caused a lot of pain around the globe. So while this story appears to be a well executed hoax, many will believe the worst based on recent events. It’s human nature.

11 Ghost of CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 9:07:12am

re: #10 _RememberTonyC

Many events in that part of the world continue to be shocking by western standards when amputations, stoning sentences and indiscriminate bombing of civilians take place on a regular basis. No religion is immune from criticism, including Islam. And in recent times, fanatics acting in the name of that particular religion have caused a lot of pain around the globe. So while this story appears to be a well executed hoax, many will believe the worst based on recent events. It’s human nature.

Yeah, I’m aware of the numerous sins, but thanks for listing them anyway. //

You won’t find a single instance of me saying that Islam should be be immune from criticism, so I’m not sure what your point in saying that was.

The story wasn’t a well executed hoax, it was a sloppily executed one that numerous blogs & news outlets ran with, both here and internationally (including in the ME), without bothering to check facts. Thankfully, there was at least one reporter at the Christian Science Monitor who had enough sense & professionalism to do some fact checking (and he’s clearly not a fan of Islam, much less an apologist, as the bolded portion below attests to).

Egypt ‘necrophilia law’? Hooey, utter hooey.
‘Necrophilia law’? Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there’s like, you know, some proof.

[…]

But extreme, not to mention inflammatory claims, need at minimum some evidence (and I’ve read my share of utter nonsense in Al Ahram over the years). The evidence right now? Zero.

There was a Moroccan cleric a few years back who apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know. But that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe. How fringe? He also ruled that pregnant women can drink alcohol. Remember, alcohol is considered haram, forbidden, by the vast majority of the world’s Muslim scholars. Putting an unborn child at risk to get drunk? No, that’s just not what they do. Whatever the mainstream’s unpalatable beliefs (there are plenty from my perspective) this isn’t one of them.

[…]

As for human nature, not all of it is good if we’re talking about knee-jerk responses. That’s why we have reason, logic, the development of critical thinking skills, etc. If we’re not going to employ them in cases where, “ZOMG, it’s Islam!!” then what’s the point of having them?

12 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 2:52:21pm

You won’t find a single instance of me saying that Islam should be be immune from criticism, so I’m not sure what your point in saying that was.
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CL …. That was not intended as a dig at you. I have always found you to be thoughtful and a person of integrity. But just as I would criticize the Catholic hierarchy for their pedophilia scandals, or Ultra Orthodox Judaism for some of its excesses, I reserve the right to criticize some of the extreme elements of Islam as long as the facts are there to support that criticism. Hopefully that makes sense :)

13 Ghost of CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 27, 2012 5:02:25pm

re: #12 _RememberTonyC

No harm , no foul. ;)

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: I’ve built up a pretty thick skin WRT criticism of Islam—I see it all day, every day.

What really bugs me, worries me, is that it’s been more than a decade since the 9/11 attacks (though I know it seems like yesterday) and many of us still seem to be in freak-out mode. The fact that most Americans still don’t know much about mainstream Islam—and the fact that what a lot of what they do know is either half correct or grossly incorrect (thanks to the Gellers & Spencers of the world)—is a big problem. Not a problem for Muslims, a problem for Americans.

Why? Because in order for Americans to be safe, we need to know who the enemy is and who the enemy is not. Being uninformed about Islam in general, and about the differences between mainstream Islam and radical Islam in particular, means that things get lumped together and people are willing to believe anything, no matter how extreme or inflammatory. That’s a knee-jerk, emotional reaction, not a rational one. I get that people are still angry, still scared, but those emotions will not keep us safe because people don’t make rational decisions when they’re operating on emotion.

Do you see what I’m getting at here? We should never forget 9/11 and the innocent lives lost, but we need to move past it. We need to get a grip. 10+ years is too long to still be reacting this way. It’s not in our best interests.


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