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1 Bob Levin  Tue, May 1, 2012 4:44:04pm

Knowing about it and looking at it won't change it either. This is an old old problem, 10,000 years old, more?

So we, as in civilization, know more about plastics than we know about behavior and consciousness. I think we've been asking the wrong questions, or a least not as many right questions.

2 Randall Gross  Tue, May 1, 2012 5:58:27pm

This story isn't fully passing the sniff test with me, I sense some exaggeration or misinformation.

3 freetoken  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:01:56pm

Duplicating some comments I made on another post:


Joe Farah seems to be looking to turn WND into a Holy VDARE (as if WND wasn't already 50% of the way there), e.g., today's hot story there: 100 BLACKS BEAT WHITE COUPLE, MEDIA BURY ATTACK

There’s outrage in Norfolk, Va., today after a white couple was attacked by a group of dozens of black teenagers, and the local newspaper did not report on the incident for two weeks, despite the victims being employees of the paper.

Oh, yes, outrage. We love us some outrage.

Now, it is a very troubling story, of a community very much in trouble. Here is the article in the local VA paper, the paper which waited two weeks to write about, a wait that apparently outrages the WND readership:

A beating at Church and Brambleton

[...]

Forster and Rostami wondered if the officer who answered their call treated all crime victims the same way. When Rostami, who admits she was hysterical, tried to describe what had happened, she says the officer told her to shut up and get in the car. Both said the officer did not record any names of witnesses who stopped to help. Rostami said the officer told them the attackers were "probably juveniles anyway. What are we going to do? Find their parents and tell them?"

The officer pointed to public housing in the area and said large groups of teenagers look for trouble on the weekends. "It's what they do," he told Forster.

Could that be true? Could violent mobs of teens be so commonplace in Norfolk that police and victims have no recourse?

Police spokesman Chris Amos said officers often respond to reports of crowds fighting; sirens are usually enough to disperse the group. On that night, he said, a report of gunfire in a nearby neighborhood prompted the officer to decide getting Forster and Rostami off the street quickly made more sense than remaining at the intersection. The officer gave them his card and told them to call later to file a report. [...]

Frankly, Norfolk is a community in need of some serious work. The newspaper column continues and explains its position:

Here's why their story is in the paper today. We cannot allow such callousness to continue unremarked, from the irrational, senseless teenagers who attacked two people just trying to go home, from the police officer whose conduct may have been typical but certainly seems cold, from the tweeting nitwits who think beating a man in Norfolk will change the death of Trayvon Martin.

Apparently that is not good enough for WND.

(continued)

4 freetoken  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:02:32pm

(continued)

The Norfolk paper column discusses the problem of racial violence and how horrified one of the victims were when they checked online about the incident the next day. It should be noted that this story was reported in various outlets after it happened - there was no cover up.

The next day, Forster searched Twitter for mention of the attack.

One post chilled him.

"I feel for the white man who got beat up at the light," wrote one person.

"I don't," wrote another, indicating laughter. "(do it for trayvon martin)"

Anyway, back to WND. Oh, look at those comments at WND:

crackpipe
So that is what Obama's kids have been up to.

and

John
I have always said that negros were far more racist then white folks could ever be,and as YOU WILL SEE in the coming weeks and months they themselfs will prove it.

and

Anita Eitmann
Whites, Hespanics, and all other races unite now against the black racist media, government officials, and all of the other racists in government. We all have to put a stop to this. God save the second amendment. If 20 would have attacked me, 15 would have died.

lee
In your dreams!

and hundreds of others.

5 Obdicut  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:13:22pm
Police spokesman Chris Amos said officers often respond to reports of crowds fighting; sirens are usually enough to disperse the group. On that night, he said, a report of gunfire in a nearby neighborhood prompted the officer to decide getting Forster and Rostami off the street quickly made more sense than remaining at the intersection. The officer gave them his card and told them to call later to file a report.

This really doesn't sound that wrong. They weren't badly hurt, and gunfire is a more important priority.

And you can find people on Twitter saying anything. You can find people glorifying rape, murder, racism, whatever you want. Just being able to find it isn't very meaningful.

So in two out of the three cases of 'callousness' the paper is lambasting, I think they're kind of off. The cop was doing their job appropriately; you want more than that, hire more cops, decriminalize marijuana, etc. The morons on twitter are morons on twitter. They're always there, and calling them callous isn't going to change shit. They will always be there.

As for the callousness of the teenagers who attacked them-- definitely a huge problem. But they're teenagers. Obviously, we as a society are fucking up in some way in their education and opportunities if they're doing this kind of shit. The author isn't really doing any good by saying that we can't make it better if we look away. We also can't make it better by just writing newspaper articles about how callous everyone is.

6 Gus  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:21:31pm

Looks like the "crowd" shrunk to 30 people in this report:

The reporters estimate there were up to 30 people in the crowd that attacked them.

7 Obdicut  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:33:09pm

re: #6 Gus

Up to.

8 Kragar  Tue, May 1, 2012 6:37:03pm

Mob beating goes unreported for two weeks, tweet references Trayvon Martin

Even though both victims work at the Pilot, the paper did not mention the attack at all. For two weeks, the story did not make news, and was finally mentioned Tuesday, when Washington wrote her opinion piece.

The reason, Washington explained, is possibly due to the incident being coded as a simple assault, "despite their assertions that at least 30 people had participated in the attack."


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