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1 dragonath  Mon, May 14, 2012 2:50:10pm

I really try not to be all political, all the time, but stories like this make me want to bang my head against the wall.

The drill now! drill everywhere! mantra is tiresome. And the fatalism among the Republicans is astounding.

2 Gus  Mon, May 14, 2012 2:51:20pm

There are no words. Just one...

Republicans.

3 funky chicken  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:08:42pm

Yep, let's keep our armed forces dependent upon a resource that is plentiful in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Russia. What a great plan!

4 Mich-again  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:11:59pm

That will tend to drive down prices for the crops involved. Then the same Republicans will come back and ask for higher farm subsidies to make up for the losses.

5 funky chicken  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:15:24pm

At least Mabus made the point. I mean, duh.

“It’s a false choice to say that we should concentrate on more ships versus a different kind of fuel. If we don’t get a different kind of fuel, if we don’t have a secure domestic supply of energy at an affordable price… the ships and the planes may not be able to be used because we can’t get the fuel,” Mabus told the Senate Subcommittee on Water and Power in March.

What’s more, Mabus added, there’s a value in a more stable, domestic supply of fuel; every time the price of oil goes up by a dollar per barrel, it costs the Navy $31 million. “We simply buy too much fossil fuels from places that are either actually or potentially volatile, from places that may or may not have our best interests at heart,” he said. “We would never let these places build our ships, our aircraft, our ground vehicles, but we do give them a say on whether those ships steam, aircraft fly, or ground vehicles operate because we buy so much energy from them.”

6 Kragarghazi  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:16:05pm

Investing billions in planes that don't work = good
Developing fuel sources that don't rely on foreign nations = bad

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:48:12pm

The Republican war on biofuels has begun.

8 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 14, 2012 3:50:56pm

More and more I'm beginning to think the GOP are the Manchurian Candidates.

9 dragonath  Mon, May 14, 2012 4:31:13pm

Nice bit of amnesia on the whole biofuels thing, signed by OH NO HE'S REALLY A LIBERAL George YOU GUYS BLAME HIM FOR EVERYTHING Bush.

10 909Ghazis  Mon, May 14, 2012 5:13:21pm

Options? OPTIONS!??!! We don't need no stinking options. Make and sell the bio from here for first and foremost our own self interests. Are there no subsidies as per the oil industry? Can one not only have it's cake and eat it too, but kill the other bakeries? Simple Republican math; Oil Industry + Republican= stagnation and regression but tons of profit to the right people.

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 14, 2012 6:10:23pm

re: #4 Mich-again

That will tend to drive down prices for the crops involved. Then the same Republicans Congress will come back and ask for higher farm subsidies to make up for the losses.

Farm subsidies are a bi-partisan problem. They remain, regardless of who holds Congress.

12 cinesimon  Mon, May 14, 2012 6:16:07pm

re: #9 Be Zorch, Daddio

So you have a problem with actually addressing what is going on today? Typical right wing strategy: ignore what the current right wing is doing, and pretend it means nothing because a republican in the past supported what the current republican party is trying to destroy.
I mean, do you actually think such nonsense means anything apart from confirming that you couldn't care less about the issue, and everything about the horse race?

13 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Mon, May 14, 2012 7:25:49pm

re: #12 cinesimon

You got Poe Law'd - the post to which you replied is satirizing the GOP position (i.e. they're the ones who have amnesia re Bush biofuel support).

14 dragonath  Mon, May 14, 2012 7:54:38pm

re: #12 cinesimon

Of course I care about the issue. I support biofuels, granted they are produced with minimal environmental impact. Unfortunately state investment in alternative biofuels have been stifled across the nation.

What really bothers me about the whole debate is how within the year of the law being signed, the new ethanol rules were being blamed on environmentalists, even though the law was largely created as a vehicle for agribusiness farm subsidies. They don't want to see the emergence of alternative biofuels.

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Instead of treating this as an amorphous bipartisan problem, you could take a look at what happened in Wisconsin, then. Governor Walker suspended the use of biomass in what was going to be a natural gas/biofuel power plant.

15 RogueOne  Tue, May 15, 2012 3:59:38am

You would have thought people would have learned from the Ethanol disaster but I guess not....

Biofuels Industry at Crossroads as Military Waits for Lower Prices
[Link: www.nationaldefensemagazine.org...]

Military leaders like to say that their aircraft, ships and personnel can’t tell the difference between petroleum and biofuel.

But their budgets can.

Planes, ships and helicopters all have completed successful tests using alternative fuels. But the Defense Department has been paying per-gallon rates for biofuels that make volatile standard oil prices look like steals.

To be sure, the costs have been coming down. The Navy is paying $12 million for 450,000 gallons of biofuel to power a carrier strike group off the coast of Hawaii this year. That $26.6-per-gallon purchase is nowhere near the $2.50 the service pays for each gallon of petroleum. (It has been stated that it would be about $16 per gallon if it were mixed with standard jet fuel.) But it can be considered a good deal when compared to what the Navy paid biofuels supplier Solazyme Inc. under a previous contract.

The service in 2009 spent $8.5 million for 20,000 gallons of algae-based fuel. That works out to $425 per gallon. In the fall of that year, the Defense Logistics Agency paid Montana’s Sustainable Oils $2.7 million for 40,000 gallons of fuel from the camelina plant. That’s about $67.50 per gallon.

There has been a lot of hand wringing in the press over the last 6 months about why biofuels aren't going to meet the RFS mandates (which is why the admin has been pushing the military to buy as much as possible) but it doesn't take a math guru to figure out why....

16 Hal_10000  Tue, May 15, 2012 7:16:11am

Agree with RogueOne. Biofuels have generally been a disaster. You can read Rolling Stone's (!) superb article on this. It's not even clear that you get more energy out than you put in! And it's far worse for the environment, causing more pollution, encouraging mono-cropping and driving up food prices. The ethanol mandate is pure corporate welfare -- and one that makes our energy situation worse, not better.

17 Achilles Tang  Tue, May 15, 2012 10:28:05am

Let's also make sure the military use only incandescent lights (made in China), so they can burn more fossil fuel.


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