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1 freetoken  Tue, May 15, 2012 2:22:24am

Using terms like "scientism" and "scientific imperialism" is just stealing terminology from the creationists, to no good effect. That politicians want to cut budgets for humanities departments is not the fault of the hard sciences.

2 Bob Levin  Tue, May 15, 2012 3:25:59am

re: #1 freetoken

No, those are Marxist terms, or at least terms coined by the Critical Theorists. Frankfurt School and all that.

3 SidewaysQuark  Tue, May 15, 2012 6:46:31am

re: #1 freetoken

Using terms like "scientism" and "scientific imperialism" is just stealing terminology from the creationists, to no good effect. That politicians want to cut budgets for humanities departments is not the fault of the hard sciences.

Very true. Speaking as a scientist, I think the two complement each other. One uses the rigor of hard science where the data is available, but only can do so when the data is available. For example, you measure the energy of the ground state of hydrogen to 13+ decimal places, because, well, you can. Such accuracy is not possible when, say, discerning the intentions and thoughts of Plato, but that doesn't make it any less important, or mean it isn't amenable to study - it just means a different approach is needed.

4 Bob Levin  Tue, May 15, 2012 12:31:40pm

re: #3 SidewaysQuark

How do you feel about Phenomenology? I'd link to Wikipedia, but the essay isn't very good. One bit of accuracy in the essay is the association with Husserl--whose major work on the subject, which ended up as a published work is entitled The Crisis of the European Sciences. References to this work are buried somewhere in the above cited essay. The book is very much intertwined with the dispute regarding positivism.

Why does this matter? Because these writers make a very good case that these are deep psychological processes that led, eventually, to the creation of Nazi Germany. I would recommend diving in and swimming around in these arguments for a long time before commenting one way or the other. This stuff ain't easy.

However, this is where the term 'scientism' originates. But simply being aware and fluent in this uber-analytical philosophy would not stop one, Martin Heidegger for instance, from joining the Nazi Party. We still need a view of man that is much deeper, and tools of consciousness that are much stronger in order to turn those strong gusts of wind into an ignorable breeze.


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