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1 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 10:58:57am

Boo f’n hoo.

If they had accepted the partition in 1947, they would have had over twice the amount of land they have today. But that’s not what they really want, is it.

Image: UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png

2 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, May 15, 2012 11:07:54am

Yes.

“They”.

…

3 shutdown  Tue, May 15, 2012 11:11:05am

re: #2 Unlike Some People

Yes.

“They”.

…

Meaning? IIRC, Israel accepted the land that was granted - at least for the first 15 minutes of her existence, after which the Arab Legion invaded and shelling of Tel Aviv commenced.

4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 15, 2012 12:20:10pm

“Nakba Day” with maps.

5 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:36:57pm

re: #3 Ascher

Meaning? IIRC, Israel accepted the land that was granted - at least for the first 15 minutes of her existence, after which the Arab Legion invaded and shelling of Tel Aviv commenced.

Correctamundo. It’s nice when people know modern history. When it comes to Israel, so few do.

6 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:43:47pm

re: #2 Unlike Some People

Yes.

“They”.

…

Assuming that was directed at me, no, land is not an issue to the Arabs living in the disputed territories. If this was about land, you can clearly see they could have had half the country 64 years ago. And through every negotiation since, when all they had to do is renounce the violence. Their stated goal is not about land, it’s to kill every Jew “from the River to the Sea”, as THEY say.

So excuse me if I get a little cranky at “Nakba Day”.

7 Obdicut  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:44:59pm

re: #6 What, me worry?

The people alive now are not the people alive then. While I mainly agree with you in spirit, saying that “They” could have had it is problematic.

8 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:45:27pm

re: #7 Obdicut

The people alive now are not the people alive then. While I mainly agree with you in spirit, saying that “They” could have had it is problematic.

The article was CLEARLY talking about Palestinians. Is there some confusion here?

9 Obdicut  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:46:50pm

re: #8 What, me worry?

The article was CLEARLY talking about Palestinians. Is there some confusion here?

Yes. The Palestinians around in 1947 who rejected the deal are not the same Palestinians that are around now. Some are. Many are not. It’s one of the problems with group identification.

10 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:47:43pm

re: #9 Obdicut

Yes. The Palestinians around in 1947 who rejected the deal are not the same Palestinians that are around now. Some are. Many are not. It’s one of the problems with group identification.

How are they different then? How are their negotiations different? Has the bombing increased or decreased?

11 Obdicut  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:49:44pm

re: #10 What, me worry?

How are they different then? How are their negotiations different? Has the bombing increased or decreased?

They are literally different people. A child born in Palestine in 1948 did not have the chance to take or reject that deal.

And when you say ‘that’s not what they really want’, it completely obviates any Palestinians who do, in fact, want peace and land. Sure, they’re a minority, and that’s terrible, but they do exist and deserve to have that existence at least acknowledged.

12 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 1:59:15pm

re: #11 Obdicut

They are literally different people. A child born in Palestine in 1948 did not have the chance to take or reject that deal.

And when you say ‘that’s not what they really want’, it completely obviates any Palestinians who do, in fact, want peace and land. Sure, they’re a minority, and that’s terrible, but they do exist and deserve to have that existence at least acknowledged.

You’re going to lecture me about the peace-loving Arabs who only want to love the Jews? REALLY??? Prove it. Show me. I’d love to see it.

They had a chance in 1947, 1948, 1967, 1973, 1987, 2000, 2008 and so many years in between. What about those years?

Oh the poor Arab “refugees” living in squalor. Whose fault is that? They had 22 Arab countries who could have saved them. What country did the Jews have? Try zero. 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab countries in 1947, all their property confiscated, and they fled with only the clothes on their backs. They aren’t whining 64 years later because they had no where to go. They found places, all over the world. They made a life and didn’t blame the Arabs or the Germans or the Spanish.

13 What, me worry?  Tue, May 15, 2012 2:01:03pm

(Spanish Inquisition there, which is pretty far back and I could add a lot more countries, but for modern history you can scratch it.)

Say Poland, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

14 Obdicut  Tue, May 15, 2012 2:40:53pm

re: #12 What, me worry?

You’re going to lecture me about the peace-loving Arabs who only want to love the Jews?

You seriously believe that there are zero, none, none at all, Palestinians who want peace?

15 Obdicut  Tue, May 15, 2012 2:43:32pm

My friend Fouzi, for example, is a Palestinian who risks his life by working with Israelis. His sons do as well.

People like him matter. Saying they don’t is what Hamas says.

16 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, May 15, 2012 3:17:27pm

*sigh*

This reminds me a little of the bullshit I have been through with Ludwig (#101 and below).

I am just going to leave this here: [Link: www.ynetnews.com…]

17 Bob Levin  Tue, May 15, 2012 4:18:35pm

They = Hamas, the PLO, Fatah, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, and some more.

18 shutdown  Wed, May 16, 2012 9:15:20am

I posted a page discussing the ongoing redefining of the word “refugee” by UNWRA to cover endless generations of Palestinians. This is unique in the world and out of step with the otherwise accepted definition of the term.

19 Flavia  Wed, May 16, 2012 9:57:35pm

re: #9 Obdicut

Yes. The Palestinians around in 1947 who rejected the deal are not the same Palestinians that are around now. Some are. Many are not. It’s one of the problems with group identification.

But the problem with this explanation is that it then ignores the fact that each succeeding generation had plenty of chances to at least make peace, if not accept a state, which is what they all pretend they want. Which is to say: what the leadership pretends they want (while otherwise declaring they want to kill all the Jews) but the average person probably does want, if not brainwashed by what the leadership feeds it.


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