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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 1:10:07am

Oh yeah? Well, fuck you.

2 freetoken  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:48:16am
What separates man from the animal world?

You are an animal.

Yes, really.

Honestly.

Evolved from tree climbers.

As for avoiding what some might consider profane - good luck with that.


One man's profanity is another man's poetry.

3 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:48:48am

Oh for fuck's sake, what a bullshit load of crap coming from a shitty Kahane supporter.

How about paying attention to your speech when you say the stupid shit you say about wanting the stoning to death of homosexuals to be enshrined in the law, or that Kahane was a superhero?

4 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:58:04am

re: #3 Obdicut

1) I never said that I wanted to have homosexuals stoned to death. Nobody gets punished because they have an inclination to do something. It is the act of anal sex that is punishable, under certain condtions that do not exist today.

2) You seem to have a bizarre obsession with Rabbi Kahane.

5 freetoken  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:06:09am

Hmmm.... my "Frank Says" on this reload:

Frank says:

Get smart and I'll f*ck you over, sayeth The Lord.

It's a sign, for sure.

6 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:08:06am

re: #5 freetoken

That's almost "expletive deleted".

7 Bob Levin  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:21:13am

And actually understanding the texts that you quote is out of the question, I presume?

8 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:28:43am

re: #4 Cosmic X

1) I never said that I wanted to have homosexuals stoned to death. Nobody gets punished because they have an inclination to do something. It is the act of anal sex that is punishable, under certain condtions that do not exist today.

Yes. Conditions that you want to see returned. You want a return to the conditions where men could be stoned to death for anal sex. You're a psycho.

2) You seem to have a bizarre obsession with Rabbi Kahane.

I only bring up the topic when assholes who think he was awesome, like, you show up. Luckily, such people are rare, given the absolute idiocy of the position.

9 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:02:53am

re: #8 Obdicut

Well, at least you and every one else here see how you misrepresented my position in comment #3.

I will not reply to your name calling, except to repeat something that my mother taught me when I was a little boy: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." Thank you Mom, I love you!

10 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:06:54am

re: #9 Cosmic X

Well, at least you and every one else here see how you misrepresented my position in comment #3.

That you honestly think that it's really significantly better that homosexuals be stoned to death for having sex, rather than for being homosexual, is fucking astounding.

11 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:12:20am

re: #10 Obdicut

Well, you know that's the position of the Torah, under certain conditions, like it or not.

12 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:14:21am
The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1] The words are "shit", "piss", "fuck", "****", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits".

The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1] The words are "shit", "piss", "fuck", "****", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits".

The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1] The words are "shit", "piss", "fuck", "****", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits".

13 Obdicut  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:14:49am

re: #11 Cosmic X

Are you actually a parody account trying to make religious Jews look like complete assholes?

14 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:20:45am

re: #12 May Day! May Day!

I heard that routine on his record "Class Clown" when it first came out. My older brother bought it. I thought that it was funny at the time. My opinion has "evolved" in the meantime".

15 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:25:19am

re: #11 Cosmic X

Well, you know that's the position of the Torah, under certain conditions, like it or not.

In a previous thread you didn't reply in regard to the Maimonides quote you posted. To reiterate, as well as add a few new points.

1. The ruling depends on certain claims about what the Egyptians did. There is no actual evidence Egyptians did it. Does that not make the ruling null and void?

2. You claimed this ruling pertains to non-Jews also. But the ruling seems to be aimed specifically at Jews, because surely Maimonides would not care if non-Jews repeated Egyptian customs or not?

3. From 2 it also follows that lesbianism and other practices are not immoral in themselves acc. to Maimonides, because otherwise he would not have to bring up the Egyptian customs to forbid the practices. They would be simply imoral.

16 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:37:59am

re: #15 May Day! May Day!


In a previous thread you didn't reply in regard to the Maimonides quote you posted. To reiterate, as well as add a few new points.

1. The ruling depends on certain claims about what the Egyptians did. There is no actual evidence Egyptians did it. Does that not make the ruling null and void?

2. You claimed this ruling pertains to non-Jews also. But the ruling seems to be aimed specifically at Jews, because surely Maimonides would not care if non-Jews repeated Egyptian customs or not?

3. From 2 it also follows that lesbianism and other practices are not immoral in themselves acc. to Maimonides, because otherwise he would not have to bring up the Egyptian customs to forbid the practices. They would be simply imoral.

1. The previous post was about gay marriage and Maimonides' ruling referred in particular to lesbian acts. His source, I believe, is the Sifra, which is a much earlier rabbinic work. I do not know of any rabbinic sources that disagree with him. If modern scholars found evidence to this practice or not is irrelevant to the halachic discussion.

2. Correct. The ruling with regards to Gentiles (B'nei Noach) is somewhere in his "Laws of Kings" if I am not mistaken.

3. If it is forbidden, it is intrinsically immoral.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:43:29am
If modern scholars found evidence to this practice or not is irrelevant to the halachic discussion.

How is it irrelevant? It depends on certain claims. These claims are unsubstantiated. How is the ruling justified then? Unless you're one of those who believe that everything the chazal said must have been true by def, including lice coming from non-living matter.

The ruling with regards to Gentiles (B'nei Noach) is somewhere in his "Laws of Kings" if I am not mistaken.

Well, find it.

If it is forbidden, it is intrinsically immoral.

Non sequitur. Care to substantiate?

18 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:50:12am

Semantic analysis: I know much better than you idiots the difference between right and wrong because I've studied Judaic scripture and understand it perfectly.

Therefore I and people like me should decide what others can and cannot say on the internet because we're smarter and better than them.

I have not used the scriptures to back a priori conclusions because I am good and smart.

Now shut up and sit down.

19 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:51:36am

re: #13 Obdicut

Are you actually a parody account trying to make religious Jews look like complete assholes?

One could hope so, but I'm pretty sure he's serious.

20 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 5:12:54am

re: #17 May Day! May Day!

1) I think that the case of the afformentioned lice (which apparently as still with us) is different from that of the ancient Egyptians who are long gone. I would consult my local Orthodox rabbi before killing lice on the Sabbath.

2) Laws of Kings 9:7

3) If it is against God's will, it is immoral.

21 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 5:14:23am

re: #18 Romantic Heretic

Please don't ascribe things to me which I never said or intended.

22 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 5:20:31am

Returning to this post, wouldn't it be nice if discussions on the internet were cleaner, to the point, without argumentum ad hominen?

23 Cosmic X  Thu, May 17, 2012 5:34:36am

I'll be offline for an indefinite amount of time. Have fun everybody!

24 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 17, 2012 6:13:22am

Oh scheiße, it went away. I was going to ask if it planned on attending that "Great Mass Assembly Against Teh EEbil Intertubez" at Citifield.

25 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, May 17, 2012 6:15:28am

re: #12 May Day! May Day!

The seven dirty words (or "Filthy Words") are seven English-language words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in 1972 in his monologue "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television".[1] The words are "shit", "piss", "fuck", "****", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits".

How do you pronounce "****"?

I know what that word is, it appears you can't say it on Teh Intertubez either.

26 Locker  Thu, May 17, 2012 7:00:17am

Not sure why you think that you have the authority to decide that a certain sound or arrangement of letters is blasphemous or undesirable.

There is zero difference between "Fuck off asshole" and "I'm really not interested, good day!" other than some morality police trying to enforce their dominance on everyone else.

How about this you bible thumping, right wing control freaks... save your negative judgement for things that cause actual harm. And some cry baby saying they're offended and their ears turned red doesn't count as "harm".

27 garhighway  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:25:21am

re: #11 Cosmic X

Well, you know that's the position of the Torah, under certain conditions, like it or not.

Which reflects poorly on the Torah.

28 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:36:34am

You can't say ****?

29 wrenchwench  Thu, May 17, 2012 9:51:02am

re: #14 Cosmic X

I heard that routine on his record "Class Clown" when it first came out. My older brother bought it. I thought that it was funny at the time. My opinion has "evolved" in the meantime".

I saw that routine performed live in Milwaukee in 1972. Carlin was arrested immediately following that performance. Here's a brief paraphrasing of his arraignment:

Arresting officer: There were women and children in the audience, Your Honor.

Judge: And what was their response when he said those words?

Arresting officer: They gave him a standing ovation, Your Honor.

Judge: Charges dismissed! You are free to go, Mr. Carlin.

This reflects life in America, including the internet today, although it hadn't been invented at the time of that performance.

One can avoid sites that give standing ovations to such words. It is unlikely one can change the site.

30 Sionainn  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:11:36pm

re: #11 Cosmic X

Well, you know that's the position of the Torah, under certain conditions, like it or not.

Going back to your original question, "What separates man from the animal world?" ...apparently fucking nothing.

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:12:25pm

re: #20 Cosmic X

1) I think that the case of the afformentioned lice (which apparently as still with us) is different from that of the ancient Egyptians who are long gone. I would consult my local Orthodox rabbi before killing lice on the Sabbath.

It is not different in regard to the point that I made, namely, that just as the sages believed in abiogenesis of lice, clearly an error on their part, so their word should not be taken for granted in regard to the alleged Egyptian customs about which nobody else seems to know.

2) Laws of Kings 9:7

Here is a translation (I assume you meant this halacha; in this version it's no. 6):

[Link: www.noahide.org...]

6. A gentile is liable [for relations] with [his mother even though] she was seduced or raped by his father [and never married to him]. She is, nevertheless, his mother.[49]
He is liable [for relations] with his father's wife even after his father's death.[50]
He is liable [for relations] with a male whether a minor or an adult[51] and with an animal whether young or old.[52] [In the latter instance,] the gentile alone is executed and not the animal.[53] We are only commanded to kill an animal with which a Jew [engaged in relations].[54]

Note however that only male homosexuality is prohibited and punished by death. Since female homosexuality is not listed among the prohibited things, and what is not prohibited is permitted, would you agree with lesbian SSM, and would you agree that such relations aren't immoral - at least as far as non-Jews are concerned?

3) If it is against God's will, it is immoral.

This begs the question of whether or not the ruling based on mere aversion to alleged Egyptian customs is God's will or Maimonides's will.

32 shutdown  Thu, May 17, 2012 2:44:17pm

One of the most profane writers who ever graced the pages of English literary magazines:

“For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command nor faith a dictum. I am my own god. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.”

I believe in Gd. I also believe that telling people how to express themselves is a losing proposition.

33 ProGunLiberal  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:09:15pm

re: #28 (Unlike Some People)

If it is the word I think it is, I wouldn't say it either.

34 Bob Levin  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:11:45pm

re: #21 Cosmic X

Aren't you ascribing meaning to holy texts that is simply not located within those texts? This discussion is rhyming. Looks like a moment of self-reflection is needed.

35 Bob Levin  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:17:56pm
re: #11 Cosmic X

Well, you know that's the position of the Torah, under certain conditions, like it or not.

Which reflects poorly on the Torah.

This is comment 27. Does this give you any pause, thinking that maybe, just maybe, you're getting close to a Chilul Hashem?

36 shutdown  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:35:14pm

re: #16 Cosmic X

...
3. If it is forbidden, it is intrinsically immoral.

I challenge you to provide any acceptable reference establishing this point as a matter of Jewish law or tradition. If you are going to make this kind of statement, you provide cites.

37 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, May 17, 2012 3:35:32pm

re: #35 Bob Levin

This is comment 27. Does this give you any pause, thinking that maybe, just maybe, you're getting close to a Chilul Hashem?

I think his aim is to provoke his banning here. What's a little desecration of God's name compared to such a noble aim?//

38 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 17, 2012 4:48:17pm

Yes, the insulting thing about the Watergate tapes was that Nixon was cursing in them..... you really have hit the nail right on the head with that statement!

39 Bob Levin  Thu, May 17, 2012 5:00:58pm

re: #37 May Day! May Day!

Just watched some Sherlock, and that is definitely the only remaining explanation.

40 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 17, 2012 7:34:42pm

All in all, it looks to me like Cosmic X was just looking to play the martyr with this post. While I post at forums where swearing is not allowed, LGF has never been one of those. Cursing happens here, either deal with it or don't post here.

Cosmic X = Innocence Abused

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, May 18, 2012 4:56:59pm

Look, he's switched from homophobia to mussar. I think this is a positive development.

:)


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