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1 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 3:55:47pm

Ha! Hate and the "new unthinking, unkind bigotry." What a laugh riot. I need my smelling salts and fainting couch.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, May 18, 2012 3:58:52pm

I've never believed that someone else's misfortune would cause my fortune.

Now, if they were forcing hundreds of little Indonesian kids to sit to work in an unventilated sweatshop putting pixels in place, I'd hate them.

3 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, May 18, 2012 4:01:39pm

re: #2 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I've never believed that someone else's misfortune would cause my fortune.

If you cherish your freedom as an American, you must recognize that slavery was its midwife.

4 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 18, 2012 4:56:40pm

Honestly, it annoys me that anyone who criticizes the rich is labeled as bitter and jealous of successful people. It's about wanting/expecting the rich to pay a honest share. Plus when you have some rich people like the rich Romney fundraiser I believe who compared support for highter tax rates on him to Nazism, that's when it gets laughable. I don't hate the rich. I don't like policies that coddle the rich however.

5 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 5:12:00pm
6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, May 18, 2012 5:33:24pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Honestly, it annoys me that anyone who criticizes the rich is labeled as bitter and jealous of successful people. It's about wanting/expecting the rich to pay a honest share. Plus when you have some rich people like the rich Romney fundraiser I believe who compared support for highter tax rates on him to Nazism, that's when it gets laughable. I don't hate the rich. I don't like policies that coddle the rich however.

they were successfully born into privilege! Wheee

7 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:20:57pm

re: #6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

they were successfully born into privilege! Wheee

Just like Zuckerberg... & Bill Gates, and Thomas Knoll! Uh wait a sec...
Each and every one of those very wealthy people earned their riches with successful products. The horror, the shame of success! //

8 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:22:29pm

re: #6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Now that the back and forth snark is said and done, is a less meme ridden discussion doable?

9 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:23:19pm

re: #7 Daniel Ballard

Just like Zuckerberg... & Bill Gates, and Thomas Knoll! Uh wait a sec...
Each and every one of those very wealthy people earned their riches with successful products. The horror, the shame of success! //

Well. It's a tradition you know.

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)

10 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:23:59pm

re: #5 Gus

So using the tax law as written and passed by our legislature is some kind of economic sin? Blame the game or blame the player?

11 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:26:39pm

re: #10 Daniel Ballard

So using the tax law as written and passed by our legislature is some kind of economic sin? Blame the game or blame the player?

I'm not blaming anyone. The rich have it easy. It's not about hate or bigotry. I'm glad America is finally shedding their slave mentality they have with their rich masters. Idolizing them and in many cases out of here of the rich that held great power even to the point of the gun with "their" police departments.

12 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:35:27pm

re: #11 Gus

The rich have it easy. What an easy generalization to make. So trying to build a successful company and make serious money is embracing slave mentality? Really? I'm busting my ass with a full time job and my own company. My goal is to grow that company to making the big dollars. Shame On Me if I manage to do that?

13 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:39:00pm
14 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:39:14pm
15 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:39:58pm

re: #12 Daniel Ballard

The rich have it easy. What an easy generalization to make. So trying to build a successful company and make serious money is embracing slave mentality? Really? I'm busting my ass with a full time job and my own company. My goal is to grow that company to making the big dollars. Shame On Me if I manage to do that?

Yes it's sad. We all have our crosses to bear.

16 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:43:34pm

re: #11 Gus

So you embrace disliking and disrespecting rich people if they earned it like Zuckerberg or if they inherited it like Romney. Just in general that's a good thing? I disagree.

The rich should be judged like the middle class or the poor. Based on their actions. Not their bank balance.

17 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:45:21pm

re: #15 Gus

Yes it's sad. We all have our crosses to bear.

I'll keep that in mind as I (hopefully) hire people and spend money with vendors and suppliers.

18 Gus  Fri, May 18, 2012 6:49:57pm

re: #17 Daniel Ballard

I'll keep that in mind as I (hopefully) hire people and spend money with vendors and suppliers.

When you hit the big time you can help start the National Association for the Advancement of Rich People. Call it the N-double-A-R-P or NAARP for short. To help stamp out bigotry and hatred of rich people and help them advance in a bigoted social environment.

//

19 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 7:03:56pm

Stop financial success. It's the New American way. To abject poverty.

But a clear conscience so it's all good. It's not about who they are, just earning big money makes you a bad bad person. Just like Bill Gates who gave away a third of his fortune. Hate The Wealthy. How you act with your money has no relevance.

[Link: www.gatesfoundation.org...]

20 jaunte  Fri, May 18, 2012 7:17:54pm

re: #19 Daniel Ballard

I really think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Some wealthy people are great, others are asses.

21 Daniel Ballard  Fri, May 18, 2012 7:19:08pm

re: #20 jaunte

I really think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Some wealthy people are great, others are asses.

THIS

Exactly my point. Generalizing crap about the rich is no more justified than in any other venue like religion or race or geography.

22 Interesting Times  Fri, May 18, 2012 7:54:24pm

re: #21 Daniel Ballard

Exactly my point. Generalizing crap about the rich is no more justified than in any other venue like religion or race or geography.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone doing that on this board. I've even pointed out (maybe not here, but other places) that wealthy people who earned their money (e.g. Buffet, Gates) tend to support Democrats or at least some progressive causes, while those who inherited (e.g. Kochs, Romney) support wingnuts. Naturally there are exceptions here as well, but when people criticize "the rich", I take it to mean those with a hideously inflated sense of entitlement and "I got mine, now screw you" attitude.

23 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 18, 2012 8:26:55pm

The whole article misses the point. People don't hate the rich, they hate Facebook.

24 Buck  Fri, May 18, 2012 8:30:25pm

No one ever talked about Kerry the way they talk about Romney. No one ever discounted Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz ability to understand women's issues.

See a double standard?

No?

Really?

25 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:16:16am

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

The thing is, I don't see Facebook as actually delivering a valuable good. It has as much negative to it as it does positive. Obviously, the market values it, and people use it, but that doesn't mean I have to consider it valuable.

26 Obdicut  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:16:52am

re: #24 Buck

No one ever talked about Kerry the way they talk about Romney.

Yes, they did, except for the obvious differences in their actual careers.

No one ever discounted Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz ability to understand women's issues.

Did Kerry claim that his understanding of women's issues came from talking to his wife?

27 Romantic Heretic  Sat, May 19, 2012 5:32:36am

I don't hate rich people. I don't idolize them either. Any more than I idolize lottery winners.

Certainly imagination and hard work have a lot to do with success but luck plays an even bigger part. It takes an amazing series of coincidences to have the right product in the right place at the right time.

My biggest beef with the wealthy, or at least with a portion of them, is that they won't acknowledge that they no longer consider themselves citizens. The place where they place their loyalty is not that listed on their passports, citizenship papers or birth certificates. It isn't even related to geography.

It can be called 'the business community' or 'globalism' but it currently doesn't have a proper name. It is an abstract system that exist apart from the world.

This is why people like Zuckerberg do what they do. They really don't care about the countries that aided them so much. At the end of the day their hearts belong to this abstract system.

Certainly there are some who contribute greatly to their countries. But over all they are not citizens and feel they owe no loyalty to anyone except their class.

28 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:59:05am

I really think the backlash that some feel about the rich is related to the effort that you see bashing the poor as lazy and lacking work ethic. Whether the wealthy want to admit it or not, their wealth is related to regular people using their products etc. The professional athlete is nowhere near as wealthy as he is without thousands of paying fans who see his games, buy his jerseys, etc. As I said I am not anti rich. I do resent the mindset that suggests we should worship these people though. Good for you if you're rich but it doesn't make you better than me because of that.

29 blueraven  Sat, May 19, 2012 11:59:06am

I dont think most people "hate the rich"
They may hate a particular wealthy person or company.

The problem comes from income inequaltiy. As big corporations and wealthy individuals get more and bigger tax breaks, states are cutting funding for health services, education etc...to make up for those tax breaks.
This causes tuition in colleges to go up, health services harder to access and on and on.

Pretty soon college and health care will be for the wealthy only. Not only does this breed resentment, but it is bad for our nation's future as a whole.

30 Jimmi the Grey  Sat, May 19, 2012 3:25:12pm

re: #12 Daniel Ballard

The rich have it easy. What an easy generalization to make. So trying to build a successful company and make serious money is embracing slave mentality? Really? I'm busting my ass with a full time job and my own company. My goal is to grow that company to making the big dollars. Shame On Me if I manage to do that?

If you then avoid paying back America for the infrastructure used to obtain your wealth then yes shame on your unpatriotic ass. Got no problem with success, but this "i am an island and did it all with no help" concept doesnt fit facts. That is what i see as the "sin" as well as the difference.

YMMV.

31 Genshed  Sat, May 19, 2012 6:29:23pm

I have no problem with the concept "all successful people made an effort to be successful".

The problem I have is with the concept "all people who make an effort to become successful BECOME successful", which means that everyone else, just didn't try hard enough. There were people busting their humps to get economically viable, technologically successful steamships into production before Fulton - were they just lazy, incompetent slackers? No. Everyone in this country who worked hard and become wealthy had two things going for them that we are (collectively) eager to overlook: a social/political/economic infrastructure supporting them, AND a healthy helping of plain good luck. There are greedheads hard at work to destroy the first of those two. The second will not be enough for future generations.

FWIW, I'm a Mason, and one of the traditions of American Freemasonry is a support of public education. If we can, as a society, provide EVERY young person with a quality education, paid for by taxes, we will be better off. I'm somewhat dismayed to be living in an age where this has become a controversial idea.

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, May 19, 2012 7:50:41pm

re: #20 jaunte

I really think you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. Some wealthy people are great, others are asses.

Well yes. So are poor, middle-class, etc.

It's just that if you have the ability to help others, and you spend it on things like a gold-plated toilet brush*, you're a jerk.

*As opposed to a work of art or something that required talent. I have no problem with artisans being properly rewarded for their efforts and training. A gold-plated toilet brush, and yes this is an example from real life, is just being a jerk.

33 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sat, May 19, 2012 8:37:27pm

I don't really see a lot of criticism of the rich any more now than any other time in History. If there are any rich and powerful people who are feeling sad and victimized they really need to shed their very thin skin.
The rich and powerful also do not need you to be a cheerleader or defender. Thats what they have always paid lobbyists for with great results!
My advise is, if you want to defend and protect rich people then become a lobbyist and make money for it. Don't do it for free!

34 gwangung  Sat, May 19, 2012 9:55:03pm

re: #7 Daniel Ballard

Just like Zuckerberg... & Bill Gates, and Thomas Knoll! Uh wait a sec...
Each and every one of those very wealthy people earned their riches with successful products. The horror, the shame of success! //

Just to be precise, Bill Gates started in the 1%. True, he became richer by astronomical orders of magnitude, but he started out as someone already well connected and well heeled, with a father who was one of the top lawyers in Seattle and a mother who was one of the first female directors of a major corporation in the state of Washington.

35 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:23:04pm

re: #18 Gus

When you hit the big time you can help start the National Association for the Advancement of Rich People. Call it the N-double-A-R-P or NAARP for short. To help stamp out bigotry and hatred of rich people and help them advance in a bigoted social environment.

//

Way to miss the point.

36 Dark_Falcon  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:26:56pm

re: #32 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well yes. So are poor, middle-class, etc.

It's just that if you have the ability to help others, and you spend it on things like a gold-plated toilet brush*, you're a jerk.

*As opposed to a work of art or something that required talent. I have no problem with artisans being properly rewarded for their efforts and training. A gold-plated toilet brush, and yes this is an example from real life, is just being a jerk.

Agreed. If you're plating things in gold just because you can afford it, you've got too much money lying around. Invest that money and put it to work, rather than wasting it.

That said, the man with the gold-plated toilet brush has the right to get that brush made for him, but I also have the right to think him an ass for having done so.

37 Gus  Sat, May 19, 2012 10:36:38pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Way to miss the point.


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