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1 Kronocide  Thu, May 24, 2012 8:18:36am

Stockholm Syndrome

2 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 24, 2012 8:32:03am

Which is more awkward or out of place? A pro CCW Democrat or republican and gay. Looks like a tie to me. (Tammy is famously pro gun rights, for further understanding see log cabin Republicans)

3 What, me worry?  Thu, May 24, 2012 8:46:54am

re: #2 Daniel Ballard

Which is more awkward or out of place? A pro CCW Democrat or republican and gay. Looks like a tie to me. (Tammy is famously pro gun rights, for further understanding see log cabin Republicans)

I never got the Log Cabin Republicans either. In the same way, I'm not a Blue Dog Democrat fan.

The Wiki on Tammy Bruce says:

Bruce's website describes her as a "gay, pro-choice, gun owning, pro-death penalty, Tea Party Independent Conservative" who "worked on a number of Democratic campaigns in 1990s, including the 1992 Boxer and Feinstein senate races and the Clinton for President campaign" and "also has a history of supporting Republicans as well, including President Reagan, both Presidents Bush and, quite reluctantly, John McCain during the 2008 presidential campaign."[1]

But she must have changed it because her "About" page does not mention it.

Both the Wiki and her page say she is a "FOX contributor", but apparently that has limitations. I think that would piss me off a great deal.

4 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:00:52am

Yeah. She must entertain a lot of denial. It is an oddity though. Why belong to a group that actively hates you?

5 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:12:33am

re: #4 Eclectic Infidel

Yeah. She must entertain a lot of denial. It is an oddity though. Why belong to a group that actively hates you?

That's exactly why I won't register Democratic. I'm way too Fiscal conservative. Not enough for the GOP, too much for the Dems.

"Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right"

6 Obdicut  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:16:58am

re: #5 Daniel Ballard

That's exactly why I won't register Democratic. I'm way too Fiscal conservative.

The Democrats are a lot more fiscally conservative than the GOP in the current time frame.

7 Daniel Ballard  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:18:06am

re: #6 Obdicut

Okay, the phrase is pretty malleable, but please enjoy my musical edit...

8 What, me worry?  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:27:42am

Tammy identifies as a "Tea Party Conservative". Well ok, one could surely expect some love from the Teabaggers, yes? (See the joke I made there?)

Not so fast...

Tea Party Avoids Divisive Social Issues
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Alan Caruba, a Tea Party darling, wrote this lovely piece on the Queering of America
[Link: factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com...]

I think we all know how other Tea Party favorites like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann feel about gay folks. Safe to say, they're not making the same kinds of statements as President Obama.

9 Kronocide  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:45:38am

re: #2 Daniel Ballard

Which is more awkward or out of place? A pro CCW Democrat or republican and gay. Looks like a tie to me. (Tammy is famously pro gun rights, for further understanding see log cabin Republicans)

A gay GOPer is way more out of place. I pro-CCW Dem is much more plausible.

10 wrenchwench  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:53:56am

Gay people can be wingnuts too. It doesn't make sense to most of us, but it doesn't make sense to me for straight people to be wingnuts, either. Here's Richard Grenell, who "served briefly as Mitt Romney's foreign-policy and national-security spokesman."

[...]

The claim that gays should be barred from conservative activism is not only bigoted but is a bipartisan view. The intolerant assault comes from the far right, who object to Republicans who are gay, and the far left, who object to gays being Republicans. When the extremists on both sides are the only ones speaking up, the majority suffers.

[...]

Americans who agree on the principles of self-reliance, capitalism, unapologetic U.S. global leadership and a government designed to do what the private sector can't or won't do should support Mr. Romney. Mr. Obama, conversely, has demonstrated a willingness to abandon the entrepreneurial spirit that made America great while embracing a new era of government-centered decisions.

While there are many reasons not to vote to re-elect President Obama, gay marriage is not one of those issues. National and economic security absolutely are.

Pure wingnut, all the way. His sexuality is just 'an issue on which we disagree.' And he says intolerance is bipartisan. It takes some departure from the facts to be a wingnut, IMHO, and believing Democrats are as intolerant as Republicans is just one more of those departures.

11 What, me worry?  Thu, May 24, 2012 10:02:03am

re: #9 Kronocide

A gay GOPer is way more out of place. I pro-CCW Dem is much more plausible.

Just to be clear, I don't expect someone like Tammy Bruce to vote for Obama. I mean it would be great, but that's a pretty silly conclusion.

I'm only asking for a little love his way on this one issue, since I think it would be important to her. Surely to write that hatchet job against Obama is shocking to me. In the least, she could have said nothing.

12 What, me worry?  Thu, May 24, 2012 10:04:43am

re: #10 wrenchwench

I praise President Bush for killing Sadaam Hussein. I also think that opened the door for the Arab uprisings. That is certainly not a lefty position.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, May 24, 2012 11:15:21am

re: #12 What, me worry?

I praise President Bush for killing Sadaam Hussein. I also think that opened the door for the Arab uprisings. That is certainly not a lefty position.

I think that's a reasonable position. Does it relate to my comment? If so, I'm not understanding you.

14 What, me worry?  Thu, May 24, 2012 11:42:01am

re: #13 wrenchwench

I think that's a reasonable position. Does it relate to my comment? If so, I'm not understanding you.

The idea that gay people can be wingnuts. I don't understand it, but ok, I know they exist. Even so, I think on that particular issue, they would side with the Democrats on anything relating to homosexuality. I brought up President Bush because I'm very hawkish on foreign policy, which isn't typical of the Left - as an example of not following my party.

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 24, 2012 11:49:52am

re: #14 What, me worry?

The idea that gay people can be wingnuts. I don't understand it, but ok, I know they exist. Even so, I think on that particular issue, they would side with the Democrats on anything relating to homosexuality. I brought up President Bush because I'm very hawkish on foreign policy, which isn't typical of the Left - as an example of not following my party.

I know multiple ron paul goldbug gay people

they're not self-hating, they're more just conspiracy-theory-paranoids

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, May 24, 2012 11:51:52am

re: #5 Daniel Ballard

That's exactly why I won't register Democratic. I'm way too Fiscal conservative. Not enough for the GOP, too much for the Dems.

"Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right"

[Embedded content]

what does "fiscal conservative" even mean anymore, it has no definition

All it means to me is "I won't reject the republican party, but don't hate me oh god"

17 wrenchwench  Thu, May 24, 2012 11:53:35am

re: #14 What, me worry?

Ah, OK. Now I get it.

:)

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 24, 2012 9:03:28pm

Apparently, that tweet from Tammy Bruce was just a trick, to get "liberals" wound up.

19 EiMitch  Thu, May 24, 2012 10:08:29pm

Tammy Bruce is cogitative dissonance incarnate. I kinda feel sorry for her.

20 Kruk  Fri, May 25, 2012 2:45:40am

re: #9 Kronocide

A gay GOPer is way more out of place. I pro-CCW Dem is much more plausible.

AFIK, Democrats haven't made it an article of faith that CCW holders are abominations in the eyes of God, and should be prevented from adopting children...

21 cinesimon  Fri, May 25, 2012 3:35:23am

How anybody can think the GOP is in any way fiscally conservative is beyond me.
As is the very odd idea that Dems are not. They're more fiscally conservative than any republican post WW2. To those paying attention, this fact has been common knowledge since 2008.
I'm glad it's finally being discussed. A bit late, but still - not too late for the presidential election.

As for Ms Bruce: rather like water is wet, she is not an honest person.
Anything she claims ought to be met with mockery and derision - especially if it's about her being a victim. Such nonsense is what she and her batshit nutso political allies are all about. It matters not that her persecutors are supposedly Fox.

22 What, me worry?  Fri, May 25, 2012 5:34:13am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

How interesting is that. Meanwhile, there was nothing in her original tweet to indicate “Irony,” “Sarcasm,” or“Absurdity" as she puts it.

And she didn't bother to correct her own followers who replied to the comment when it was made.


* * *

It still belies the fact that her hate is so strong for Obama that she can't support his position on a subject she claims to be so "open" about.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 25, 2012 5:52:37am

re: #21 cinesimon

How anybody can think the GOP is in any way fiscally conservative is beyond me.
As is the very odd idea that Dems are not. They're more fiscally conservative than any republican post WW2. To those paying attention, this fact has been common knowledge since 2008.
I'm glad it's finally being discussed. A bit late, but still - not too late for the presidential election.

As for Ms Bruce: rather like water is wet, she is not an honest person.
Anything she claims ought to be met with mockery and derision - especially if it's about her being a victim. Such nonsense is what she and her batshit nutso political allies are all about. It matters not that her persecutors are supposedly Fox.

Great point about fiscal conservatism and the two parties.

24 Kronocide  Fri, May 25, 2012 10:40:26am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Apparently, that tweet from Tammy Bruce was just a trick, to get "liberals" wound up.

She did it to get liberals wound up? It's pretty clear she's wound up:

Considering the problems liberals have with Obama’s War on Women, Class Warfare and his shameless (and disgustingly insincere) pandering to the Gay community, you’d think they’d have better things to do than latch onto a Tweet of mine as some nefarious statement about Fox News. But lo and behold, I get an email from a young man at Media Matters who, obsessed with hating Fox (apparently a job requirement over there), all hot and bothered, thinking he has a ‘scoop’ on his hands.

I’m sorry to have to disappoint him. I do have a few suggestions for everyone on the left, including to more than a few of The Gheys, slobbering at the bit over this—look up the meaning of “Irony,” “Sarcasm,” and “Absurdity.” And let me say a few things about Fox to those who might be too young to know—when Fox News hired me years ago the entire crew over there knew they were putting the first openly gay person as a political contributor/commentator on any television—cable or network. This is something I mention often and am pleased to have an excuse to state it again publicly.

I have a no-nonsense reputation and am not known for being a doormat, so the fact that I re-sign year after year after year with Fox News might indicate that I like them! And they seem to like me. Oooooooh! Weird for a bunch of H8ers! (Note for Liberals—this is called “sarcasm”).

So for all you liberals out there hating Fox, we know you make things ups, but you’re not going to do it at my expense, or the expense of a network that was willing to hire an openly gay women before anyone else in television. Will this appear on Media Matters? Since it doesn’t fit their “We Hate Fox Meme of the Day,” likely not. And they certainly don’t want the truth about Fox to somehow sneak out amongst the hippies.

Her sense of humor is strange: let's lie about Fox keeping me away because I'm gay, just to get liberals all worked up. Hey, not true! See? LOL.

25 palomino  Fri, May 25, 2012 2:47:46pm

This is a very strange way to rile up liberals. If her tweet were actually true, wouldn't liberals have a good reason to be outraged?

And the fact that conservatives apparently weren't riled up tells you something as well: they've got no problem if Fox in fact does choose not to have openly gay commentators. MSNBC has Maddow; CNN has Lemon and AC; who does Fox have?

26 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Fri, May 25, 2012 3:56:42pm

re: #2 Daniel Ballard

Why do you think Democrats are anti gun? I know as many pro gun Dems as i do Republicans. My MIL who is a moral majority religious right wing nut is against guns COMPLETELY so are her friends, unless it is to use them in a war against anti-christians do herald in the Kingdom of God.
There is no threat of your gun rights being taken away by dems at all.

27 What, me worry?  Fri, May 25, 2012 8:16:54pm

re: #24 Kronocide

She did it to get liberals wound up? It's pretty clear she's wound up:

Her sense of humor is strange: let's lie about Fox keeping me away because I'm gay, just to get liberals all worked up. Hey, not true! See? LOL.

I'm beginning to think it was a slip of the tongue (or the tweet) and it never actually happened. It would be odd for a corporation like Fox to come out and say it, especially after settling the O'Reilly sexual harassment suit. (Shudder the thought.) But she probably thinks it's the reason, so it kinda slipped out. Now she's got to do some fancy backpedaling. Blame the liberals. Works like a charm.

28 Flavia  Fri, May 25, 2012 10:52:20pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Even if it were true, it wouldn't be any crazier than ANY WOMAN who was also a Republican.

29 spiderx  Fri, May 25, 2012 11:53:42pm

Tammy Bruce used to be liberal. She probably still is. But it pays $$ to be a wing-nut these days. She wouldn't be working in radio if she didn't act like a wing-nut.

30 HappyWarrior  Sat, May 26, 2012 5:23:10am

What a strange thing to do.

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, May 26, 2012 8:22:24am

re: #25 palomino

This is a very strange way to rile up liberals. If her tweet were actually true, wouldn't liberals have a good reason to be outraged?

And the fact that conservatives apparently weren't riled up tells you something as well: they've got no problem if Fox in fact does choose not to have openly gay commentators. MSNBC has Maddow; CNN has Lemon and AC; who does Fox have?

Shep Smith.

32 Buck  Sun, May 27, 2012 8:44:24am

False but accurate!

33 Buck  Sun, May 27, 2012 8:53:35am

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

There might be a lot of Gay men and women working at FOX. Perhaps they don't have to wear their sexuality on their sleeves?

I have always suspected Andy Levy. He apologizes for nothing.

34 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, May 27, 2012 9:47:21am

re: #33 Buck

How exactly do you wear sexuality on your sleeves? And is it best with heels or flats?
Maybe you are missing the point Buck. Why would you help a party thats leaders and most popular spokesmen openly look down on you?

35 jamesfirecat  Sun, May 27, 2012 3:55:53pm

re: #34 HUSKY White Male Lover

How exactly do you wear sexuality on your sleeves? And is it best with heels or flats?
Maybe you are missing the point Buck. Why would you help a party thats leaders and most popular spokesmen openly look down on you?

Because Buck has made it clear in other threads, while he supports gay rights, he does not care about casting votes for or verbally supporting those who do not. In the war for gay rights he is seated firmly in his arm chair waving a rainbow colored flag.

36 Buck  Mon, May 28, 2012 7:47:12pm

re: #35 jamesfirecat

Because Buck has made it clear in other threads, while he supports gay rights, he does not care about casting votes for or verbally supporting those who do not. In the war for gay rights he is seated firmly in his arm chair waving a rainbow colored flag.

There are other issues. Perhaps you decide on your support based on one issue only. I don't.

37 Buck  Mon, May 28, 2012 7:58:49pm

re: #34 HUSKY White Male Lover

How exactly do you wear sexuality on your sleeves? And is it best with heels or flats?
Maybe you are missing the point Buck. Why would you help a party thats leaders and most popular spokesmen openly look down on you?

There are lots of people who work for News Corp and Fox News who are gay. They just don't need to make it their defining characteristic. The work at work and live their lives at home. People like Shep don't hide from their lives, they just do not have to make it an issue.

Tammy Bruce is a Fox News correspondent, and has been for many years. Not every Fox News correspondent hosts the Factor.

Read her Wiki page and you will see she has had been involved in a wide range of political positions.


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