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1 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jun 1, 2012 11:40:17pm

How about we create more of our own smart people, Mitt? Oh wait your party thinks increasing spending public education should take a seat to coddling the wealthy whose money they need to fund their campaigns I see.

2 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 4:12:47am

Man, these people have an enormous problem connecting the dots, don’t they?

3 Joanne  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 6:48:55am

It’s scary if you consider the GOP version of America’s future. Grow our own Christian Taliban, science averse, no critical thinking population, and import brain power from other countries, people willing to live under fundamentist rule and follow whatever orders are given, without thought.

It’d be funny if it wasn’t so very tragic.

4 jytdog  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 7:11:35am

Actually this is a big problem for tech companies - they complain about it all the time. And Obama has worked to make it easier for skilled scientists and entrepreneurs to come and stay.
[Link: expressbuzz.com…]

We are a nation of immigrants, and much of our success has been driven by people who immigrated to pursue the American dream.

I know scientists and entrepreneurs who are here on visas and our current system is terrible. We lose a lot of good people who would otherwise stay and contribute.

5 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 7:38:07am

re: #4 jytdog

Actually this is a big problem for tech companies - they complain about it all the time. And Obama has worked to make it easier for skilled scientists and entrepreneurs to come and stay.
[Link: expressbuzz.com…]

We are a nation of immigrants, and much of our success has been driven by people who immigrated to pursue the American dream.

I know scientists and entrepreneurs who are here on visas and our current system is terrible. We lose a lot of good people who would otherwise stay and contribute.

I don’t dispute the need for more people with advanced degrees. But the GOP works on all fronts to reduce access to higher education by middle class Americans, and then claims we need to import scientists because we can’t make enough of our own.

6 jytdog  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 7:55:03am

re: #5 Mich-again

I find the statement that “But the GOP works on all fronts to reduce access to higher education by middle class Americans,” to be surprising and don’t believe it is true stated this broadly. Can you support such a broad claim?

7 Sionainn  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 9:13:43am

…and this from the party who will not support the Dream Act in order to keep the students we have already spent time and money on. They’d rather we deport them. Bunch of dumbasses.

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 9:33:35am

I really don’t think the current problems with our educational system will be fixed by more government action.

9 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 10:02:41am

re: #6 jytdog

I find the statement that “But the GOP works on all fronts to reduce access to higher education by middle class Americans,” to be surprising and don’t believe it is true stated this broadly. Can you support such a broad claim?

Really? Here are just A few links with examples..
Senate Republicans Stumble On Student Loans
GOP candidates push higher ed cuts
Pell Grants For Poor Students Lose $170 Billion In Ryan Budget
The Republicans who want ignorance to get equal time in schools

The GOP is rudderless on the issue of higher education for American students.

10 andres  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 10:19:04am

re: #9 Mich-again

And that’s at the Federal level. At the State level, many states are cutting back on the Education budget, which causes either the quality to be reduced, or the cost to be rised by the State Universities.

11 jytdog  Sat, Jun 2, 2012 1:50:14pm

re: #9 Mich-again

Thanks for those links!

The last one is state level and while it is about education, is not about funding education.

And the other three are really about the Ryan budget proposal and other Republican deficit-hawk measures.. but those make cuts to pretty much all federal spending. I feel it is unfair to characterize them as part of some larger GOP effort that “works on all fronts to reduce access to higher education by middle class Americans”. This is different from the war on women which has nothing to do with the deficit and has everything to do with sexual politics.

12 Claire  Sun, Jun 3, 2012 12:35:50pm

re: #11 jytdog
We do need to do more to encourage students to pursue MSE degrees.

I think a big reason we don’t have enough is that in high school, unless a parent is in that profession, the kids have no concept of what the careers involve. Getting them exposed and excited about the field is the first step. I’ve seen charter schools do things like this very well.

Practically every parent these days is trying to get their kid a sports scholarship. I can’t believe how much time, effort and $ goes into these intramural competitions these days for what amounts to a crap shoot. Stupid.

It’s hard to say we don’t have enough engineers because we don’t have enough college students by number. We need a higher fraction of the existing students to choose a harder program, IMO. We don’t need 10 million more students to enroll to capture 100,000 more engineers. We just need 100,000 more engineering students. It doesn’t cost more to get a math degree than a business degree. I don’t see how kids are being actively discouraged By cost, or whatever, to get those degrees, just that they aren’t being actively encouraged to a sufficient degree.

That said when we educate foreign students in our universities, it is a loss of brain-power to see them go back to their countries after they graduate. Better for us if they stay here. Their kids will probably be engineers too. We need a certain influx of immigrants. May as well be the “rich” super-smart ones.

Any programs to get more kids into engineering, etc. are going to take a while to bare fruit. Meanwhile, we have a brain-drain.


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