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1 alinuxguru  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:38:40am

Walter Duranty has always endured in spirit at the NYT.

2 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:49:23am

It speaks!

3 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:48:11am

re: #1 alinuxguru

You should not upding bots, IMHO, whether you agree with them or not.

4 alinuxguru  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:52:40am

re: #3 Achilles Tang

I disagree. I get quite a bit of my news from automated news sources. A good story is a good story. I simply require no validation from the bot for my opinions.

5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:54:44am

I'm not sure what's the point of the message here. Is Assad good or bad, acc. to CAMERA? I'm confused in light of CAMERA's previous whitewashing of Assad.

6 alinuxguru  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 12:15:34pm

re: #5 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton

Can you please point out the whitewashing? I read the article and did not find anything of the nature in the article.

7 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 2:13:03pm

re: #6 alinuxguru

Can you please point out the whitewashing? I read the article and did not find anything of the nature in the article.

Did you even read the statement by the "NPR Listener" who's was listed in the title of the article?

I’m a Syrian-American. I grew up in the United States. My parents decided to leave Syria when Hafez al-Assad was in power. Of course the heir apparent was always his son Basil. It was not Bashar. Basil was killed. And then when Bashar came into power, my parents decided to move back to Syria. We are Christians. I have to say that we had a nice life. I had been going back and forth every holiday to celebrate. In Syria we have friends who are of all ethnic backgrounds – Alawites, Shia, Muslims, Sunni Muslims, Armenians in the north. I have to say that we’ve had freedom of religion. And things actually have been quite good under Bashar al-Assad.

I’m afraid of what’s going to happen afterwards. The people in the streets are Islamists and we don’t want an Islamic country. It’s now a secular government. Yes, it’s not perfect but the curse of the Middle East is its rulers, unfortunately. I’ll tell you whatever is going to come after him is going to be far much worse. Look at what’s happening in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood said they’d never float a candidate for president. Now, they’re doing it. They will always go back on their words. It’s a shame but it’s true. But the majority that I know – and I know a lot of people in Damascus – are just hunkered down in their houses right now, and they’re afraid to go in the streets, but they’re supporting Bashar al-Assad.

Or how about CAMERA's ending commentary, did you read that?

Khouri's projection that Islamists like those in Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood are committed to secular government and minority rights is untested and quite possibly, like his chronic sniping at Israel, unfounded. His claim that Iraqi Jews – forced out decades ago – and Iraqi Christians, who in large numbers have fled post-Saddam Hussein intimidation and murder by Muslim Iraqis "could do everything they want" is nonsensical. Nevertheless, he remains a popular resource for NPR and others.

CAMERA is probably right about Khouri, but in order to attack him they presented the commenter's whitewashing of Assad's regime without any real critical thought or commentary. It's also hypocritical to dismiss Khouri's arguments about the freedom of religious minorities in Iraq under Hussein while essentially allowing the NPR commenter to make an identical about Syria under Assad without challenge.

Anyway, that article was written in plain, unambiguous English and I'm not sure how you missed the clearly presented content. In the future you might want to refrain from downdinging people for your own deficient reading comprehension, it tends to make you look reactionary and uninterested in actual dialog.

8 alinuxguru  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 5:19:24pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

I actually did read the article


But Khouri is upstaged by a woman calling from Pennsylvania

CAMERA stated nothing with regards to Assad. This woman did. Her comments were not germaine to the thesis of the article.

9 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:55:13pm

Upding for the bot, but only as a counter ding. The article is acceptable in and of itself, and though it does run afoul of previous articles, I do not find it worthy of negative karma.

10 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:17:18am

re: #8 alinuxguru

I actually did read the article


But Khouri is upstaged by a woman calling from Pennsylvania

CAMERA stated nothing with regards to Assad. This woman did. Her comments were not germaine to the thesis of the article.

You're being intentionally obtuse. CAMERA presented these comments (whitewashing Assad) without objection, while quoting the speech in a positive light (to refute this guy). That means they supports this whitewashing by CAMERA's own standards, as per this post:

Unfortunately, Rosenfeld does not stick to the paths laid out in his parents' book. When he ventures into territory liberated by Israel in 1967, the author steps into politics and outside the confines of journalistic accuracy. In the Old City:

I step through the door and into a spacious café. The owner serves me coffee, then stands in the center of the room, his arms outstretched...

We are on the border of the Jewish and Muslim Quarters, he tells me. "I am the UN for both of them." It is an exaggeration, of course, but I notice some Jewish Israelis having coffee in this Arab shop. As it so often does here, the conversation turns to the situation. "Why you don't tell your people the truth?" the shop owner asks. "Why I am not free? I am under occupation more than 42 years."

Rosenfeld lets this assertion stand unanswered. He does not mention that, when Israel reunified Jerusalem, Israeli citizenship was offered to all residents of all religions. Most of the Arabs declined citizenship then, though many are availing themselves of it now.

IOW, CAMERA left Assad's whitewashing go unanswered.


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