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1 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:09:09am

The full contents of the study is here, and it's also important to note that this study addresses only those living in New York State; it doesn't address the significant Jewish population in Bergen, Essex, and Passaic counties, which also comprise the New York City metro area. The study covers only Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk, and the five boroughs of New York City. It doesn't address the significant Jewish populations in Rockland or Orange counties either, including those Orthodox communities in Monsey, Kiryas Joel, and other parts of the region that comprise the larger NYC metro area.

If they did, the Jewish population would be significantly larger than it already shows, and the numbers would probably be skewed even further towards the Orthodox communities.

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:20:31am

re: #1 lawhawk

Back in the '90's, some group calling itself the "Jewish People Planning Policy Institute" published their own survey, based on random phone calls they made ("Good evening, this is the National Jewish Population Survey, may we have 45 minutes of your time as you are sitting down to dinner, to ask you a whole bunch of personal questions about your Jewish identity?"). They claimed the Orthodox population and particularly the Hasidic population, was insignificant and shrinking.

Of course you have to consider their sampling population consisted entirely of people who agreed to take a 45-minute telemarketing survey.

3 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:44:46am

Okay, the race is soooo on now. // ;)

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:45:12am

re: #2 Learned Mother of Zion

Back in the '90's, some group calling itself the "Jewish People Planning Policy Institute" published their own survey, based on random phone calls they made ("Good evening, this is the National Jewish Population Survey, may we have 45 minutes of your time as you are sitting down to dinner, to ask you a whole bunch of personal questions about your Jewish identity?"). They claimed the Orthodox population and particularly the Hasidic population, was insignificant and shrinking.

Of course you have to consider their sampling population consisted entirely of people who agreed to take a 45-minute telemarketing survey.

You mean that mothers of nine children don't have time for a 45 minutes survey?

I'm shocked.

Also--how hard is it to figure out that if people in Group A are all having 7-10 kids, and people in Group B are having, maybe, two or three, at most, that Group A is shortly going to be much bigger than Group B?

5 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 10:09:06am

re: #4 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You mean that mothers of nine children don't have time for a 45 minutes survey?

I'm shocked.

Also--how hard is it to figure out that if people in Group A are all having 7-10 kids, and people in Group B are having, maybe, two or three, at most, that Group A is shortly going to be much bigger than Group B?

The Jewish People Planning Policy Institute (What a Soviet-sounding name!) relied heavily on the results of the "National Jewish Population Survey" published in 1990. They made their own survey 10 years later based on the results from their telemarketing calls, but their sampling methods, surprise, surprise! yielded utter crap for data.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:11:30am

re: #5 Learned Mother of Zion

The Jewish People Planning Policy Institute (What a Soviet-sounding name!) relied heavily on the results of the "National Jewish Population Survey" published in 1990. They made their own survey 10 years later based on the results from their telemarketing calls, but their sampling methods, surprise, surprise! yielded utter crap for data.

To be obtuse, can't Jews plan for themselves? Ashkenazim are supposed to be, per IQ tests, the smartest population set out there. I would think they didn't need to be babysat.

7 Bob Levin  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:30:00pm

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

More proof of the questionable validity of IQ tests.


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