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1 alinuxguru  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:03:04am

There is no excuse for moral equivacation. Cultural relativism is a useful tool for anthropologists writing an ethnography. It is not useful for comparing Israeli self-defense with Arab terrorism.

2 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:37:46am

By 'anti-Israeli' you mean 'daring to dissent from the fact that Israel is the best nation ever and the last hope for goodness in the world.'

Yawn. I support Israel. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do.

3 Major Tom  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:43:57am

Ridiculous. I couldn't disagree more... And the flimsy arguments over grammer? Jared Loughner crap. If you think a bomb targeting a Bus Stop was targeting an inanimate object then you're an idiot... I couldn't disagree more with this article. The American media is eternally protective of Israel. And if your only instances of bias appear in the form of grammer... you're grasping at staws... "Murder by knife" does not mean authorities, or you as the reader, are to believe the knife is responsible, the sentence just tells how the murder occurred. Obviously... Pointing out that the construction of houses in the Occupied Territories is instigating violence, does not excuse the violence. And the excerpt quoted even explains that... And there is a cycle of violence in Israel. No matter how much you deny it with tenuous grammatical evidence.

4 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 11:28:33am

re: #3 Major Tom

Slamming Aigle felt good before I knew it was just a bot. Simply down-ding it and let it go.

5 Bob Levin  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:24:29pm

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

Just curious, but do you actually care about everything that happens in Israel? [How can I get the right inflection here? My implication is that if you have no dog in this fight, you might simply get tired (bored) of Israel being in the headlines every day. And this would seem rational to me.]

Where did you get that definition of how many view the term 'anti-Israel'? I don't know anyone who would have that as a working definition when it comes to Israel. I think that definition is a straw man.

6 Major Tom  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:19:09pm

re: #4 EiMitch

You're right. I just read that stupid article and the logic really bothered me. Down-ding was all this really deserved.

7 freetoken  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:37:30pm
8 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:29:49pm

re: #5 Bob Levin

Just curious, but do you actually care about everything that happens in Israel? [How can I get the right inflection here? My implication is that if you have no dog in this fight, you might simply get tired (bored) of Israel being in the headlines every day. And this would seem rational to me.]

Where did you get that definition of how many view the term 'anti-Israel'? I don't know anyone who would have that as a working definition when it comes to Israel. I think that definition is a straw man.

Agreed. That sort of definition is a strawman. And I would say that American media outlets are anti-Israel (they aren't, though European media outlets are a different story), but many are very reluctant to side with the 'big dog' instead of the 'underdog'. Moreover, they often want to seem even-handed, even when it is entirely clear who is at fault for an incident.

There is also one final issue and that is the fact that is easier for a news outlet to go after Israel. Going after the Palestinians means no access to the West Bank as they won't allow reporters they consider hostile in. But Israel does not have such a policy, which leaves them with few ways to to retaliate when they get unfairly portrayed.

9 Buck  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:34:44pm

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

By 'anti-Israeli' you mean 'daring to dissent from the fact that Israel is the best nation ever and the last hope for goodness in the world.'

Yawn. I support Israel. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do.

Ok, please be specific. What do you disagree with that Israel is doing?

10 Bob Levin  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:44:56pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

I'm not happy about this whole bot thing, and because of this, I don't read the posts by Aigle. We've had many opportunities on LGF to actually talk about the role of the media in fanning the flames of antisemitism. I'm sure the opportunity will come again. But this ain't it.

Overall, the tyrants of the world do everything they can to intimidate the media--and many reporters give in to this intimidation. I think the more reasonable approach would be to simply do a story without the input of the side exerting duress. For some reason, the press has not made the connection between a general policy of overall censorship and intimidation, and the crimes that usually take place within tyrannical regimes.

11 Flavia  Wed, Jun 13, 2012 9:48:40am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. That sort of definition is a strawman. And I would say that American media outlets are anti-Israel (they aren't, though European media outlets are a different story),

(Did you forget a word in here, or am I mis-reading you? I think you meant to say that you "would NOT say American news outlets are anti-Israel"?)

but many are very reluctant to side with the 'big dog' instead of the 'underdog'. Moreover, they often want to seem even-handed, even when it is entirely clear who is at fault for an incident.

This is pretty much was (swallow, grit my teeth) Bill Mahr said, tho' not as politely. I was forced to agree, even with his ruder version, which included saying that the American people really just look around for whoever looks like a victim & side w/them.

There is also one final issue and that is the fact that is easier for a news outlet to go after Israel. Going after the Palestinians means no access to the West Bank as they won't allow reporters they consider hostile in. But Israel does not have such a policy, which leaves them with few ways to to retaliate when they get unfairly portrayed.

There's also threats to those who print things the PA doesn't like. Israel only just makes them open their e-mails when tey come into the country.

12 LeoStraussGhost  Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:13:55am

There is absolutely no reason to hate on Aigle, it just does what it does, let it be...

13 LeoStraussGhost  Wed, Jun 13, 2012 11:18:46am
By 'anti-Israeli' you mean 'daring to dissent from the fact that Israel is the best nation ever and the last hope for goodness in the world.'

Yawn. I support Israel. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they do.

This is not all about you, Sir, this is a larger problem than your opinion on Israel, of course your right, Israel does wrong and right. This is about how the vast majority of people receive information on Israel which is tinged with a vile hatred of it.


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