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1 Origuy  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:35:43am

I thought the idea of being a missionary was to make people WANT to convert to your religion. If they were going to do that, they should have fried some bacon.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:58:07am

Stoking religious hatred, is it? I know what they're going to here when they die if they're still unrepentant of this stunt:

"Depart, ye cursed, to everlasting fire!"

3 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:05:37am

One cult taunting another.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:14:40am

this next part is just stupid:

t one point, some kids started throwing water bottles and pop cans at the missionaries. Others chanted “Allah-U-Akbar” (God is the greatest). One of the Christians shouted in response “Jesus Akbar.”

To say "Jesus is greatest" is a severe misunderstanding of Christian theology. Allah, as God the father, is like Jesus part of the Holy Trinity. Those morons don't even understand their own religion.

5 JeffFX  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:20:01am

re: #3 SidewaysQuark

One cult taunting another.

Obviously their religions are both false since the supernatural only exists in story-telling, but one of these groups is not like the other. I see hate from one side here.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:44:53am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

this next part is just stupid:

To say "Jesus is greatest" is a severe misunderstanding of Christian theology. Allah, as God the father, is like Jesus part of the Holy Trinity. Those morons don't even understand their own religion.

Ah, especially the part about turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, loving your neighbor, etc.

7 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 2:07:48pm

re: #5 JeffFX

Obviously their religions are both false since the supernatural only exists in story-telling, but one of these groups is not like the other. I see hate from one side here.

Yes, of course. And one of the cults is taunting the other, just as I said in my previous post.

I'm sure this simple factual statement will again receive negative votes.

8 danarchy  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 2:27:54pm

re: #7 SidewaysQuark

Yes, of course. And one of the cults is taunting the other, just as I said in my previous post.

I'm sure this simple factual statement will again receive negative votes.

I am agnostic so I don't have a dog in the religion fight, but when you use the word cult you are intentionally using a loaded word and trying to belittle people who happen to believe. When you use the word cult to describe something that to many people is the center of their life you should not be surprised by a couple of down dings.

9 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 2:36:33pm

re: #8 danarchy

I am agnostic so I don't have a dog in the religion fight, but when you use the word cult you are intentionally using a loaded word and trying to belittle people who happen to believe. When you use the word cult to describe something that to many people is the center of their life you should not be surprised by a couple of down dings.

I don't find it surprising, merely amusing. And I'm not belittling people, I'm just belittling their beliefs.

10 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:03:49pm

What a bunch of dicks.

Dicks for Jesus!

I seriously doubt their savior would approve of their message.

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:20:24pm

re: #9 SidewaysQuark

I don't find it surprising, merely amusing. And I'm not belittling people, I'm just belittling their beliefs.

Sure, and Robert Spencer isn't anti-Muslim, he's just anti-Islam. (someone informed me of this just the other day.) It's really hard to make that sort of distinction seem real.

Also, you're so eager to get in a swipe at the belief systems here that you're not looking at the actual people. This isn't an equally stupid clash of faiths. One party here actually went out of their way to insult and harass the other group, which was was not bothering them. That may not change how you see their respective religions (and shouldn't), but it should change how you see THESE SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

Also, (on another note),since when is pork a symbol of Christianity? This reminds me of the moron who was going to celebrate Bin Laden's death with a beer and "a Hebrew national pork hot dog". I wonder if he's still looking, or if he just can't read labels.

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:22:53pm

re: #9 SidewaysQuark

I don't find it surprising, merely amusing. And I'm not belittling people, I'm just belittling their beliefs.

Belittling a person's core belief is the same as belittling them personally. "Cult" is, as danarchy noted, a very loaded word that conjures up all sorts of connotations such and Jim Jones and the People's Temple and the insane violence of Joseph Koney and the Lord's Resistance Army.

Using a loaded word like that is asking to be regarded with hostility. But if hostility is what you want, I'll be happy to keep downdinging you.

13 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:38:44pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Belittling a person's core belief is the same as belittling them personally.

No, no it's not at all. If someone wants to conflate the two, well, that's really his/her personal problem, not mine.

14 SidewaysQuark  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:44:29pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, and Robert Spencer isn't anti-Muslim, he's just anti-Islam. (someone informed me of this just the other day.) It's really hard to make that sort of distinction seem real.

Again, if one can't separate the mocking of a belief system from the mocking of people themselves, that just says something about their lack of objectivity, and it is really their own personal problem.

Political beliefs are mocked here all the time. I don't hold religious beliefs on any higher pedestal than political beliefs, and don't plan on it.

15 b_sharp  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 4:59:37pm

re: #14 SidewaysQuark

Again, if one can't separate the mocking of a belief system from the mocking of people themselves, that just says something about their lack of objectivity, and it is really their own personal problem.

Political beliefs are mocked here all the time. I don't hold religious beliefs on any higher pedestal than political beliefs, and don't plan on it.

The problem I have with your comment has nothing to do with the mocking but in the call to the MBF. What the missionaries were doing went beyond taunting, so the representatives of the two religions weren't acting equally.

As far as separating the person from the belief, logically and practically I agree with you, but from the point of view of a believer, if s/he identifies strongly with the belief, separating the two isn't possible, so you can see why those comments were made.


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