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1 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jun 30, 2012 8:28:05pm

I really hope there's a huge backlash to this and the other Republican governors refusing to implement it. They tried appealing its constitutionality which was fair game but it's really pathetic to refuse to even implement because they're bitter and pissy that the USSC upheld its legality.

2 What, me worry?  Sat, Jun 30, 2012 8:37:43pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

I really hope there's a huge backlash to this and the other Republican governors refusing to implement it. They tried appealing its constitutionality which was fair game but it's really pathetic to refuse to even implement because they're bitter and pissy that the USSC upheld its legality.

Don't get me started! This is a man who claims he is so concerned about the money spent by the State, yet wanted to drug test the poor, a policy that would have cost the State more money - other than it was found to be unconstitutional.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Because the Florida law requires that applicants who pass the test be reimbursed for the cost, an average of $30, the cost to the state was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test, Mr. Newton said. As a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780, he said.

3 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:49:02am

I predicted when I posted about Jindal refusing to implement it that other states would follow suit. I wonder how many more there will be.

4 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 6:50:58am

How many have Republican governors?

5 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:48:43am

I'm no longer calling this guy by his name or title. From now on he will either be referred to as Lord Voldemort or Mr. Medicare Fraud.

6 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:01:46am

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

How many have Republican governors?

Not sure. Jindal, Perry, Scott, Walker. However, Texas and Florida are two of the largest states with elderly and welfare residents. Not sure how Perry has weighed in on this.

7 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:02:15am

re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm no longer calling this guy by his name or title. From now on he will either be referred to as Lord Voldemort or Mr. Medicare Fraud.

I usually go with Crook Governor, but I'm liking the Lord Voldemort.

8 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:24:32am

I think McDonnell may be trying the same here. He appeared with Jindal on the conference call where Jindal said he wasn't going to implement.

9 jhncsy  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:46:02am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

I really hope there's a huge backlash to this and the other Republican governors refusing to implement it. They tried appealing its constitutionality which was fair game but it's really pathetic to refuse to even implement because they're bitter and pissy that the USSC upheld its legality.

I also hope that these governors get called out on their crap, but just remember, "freedom" trumps compassion or common sense. Even if it's only about how you're free to not have access to affordable health care.

10 aagcobb  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 10:52:29am

"this is an expansion that just doesn’t make any sense."

After all, the people it would help aren't campaign contributors.

11 simoom  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 11:58:19am

The thing I don't get with States saying they'll refuse the Medicaid expansion is how come they're in the current Medicaid program at all then. Under current Medicaid and CHIP the federal gov't share of costs is like 50 to 65%, while under the big ACA medicaid expansion, the fed gov't pays 100% until 2016, decreasing to 90% by 2020, and it stays at 90% from then on.

If 90% federal reimbursement isn't enough to make the huge decrease in uninsured and all the related State health benefits that would come with that worth it, how are these same states okay with remaining in the existing Medicaid or CHIP programs?

12 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 12:56:41pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior


This is less about Republican governors, but more about Rick Scott.

You know, the guy who made millions by defrauding Medicare by over half a billion dollars (see Columbia/HCA), who after he left ended up holding the bag for a $2Billion civil settlement. It's worth noting that he likely escaped personal prosecution only due to his close friendship with George W Bush (who he was in several business partnerships with, including co-ownership of the Texas Rangers baseball team)re:

13 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 1:20:26pm

re: #12 RadicalModerate

This is less about Republican governors, but more about Rick Scott.

You know, the guy who made millions by defrauding Medicare by over half a billion dollars (see Columbia/HCA), who after he left ended up holding the bag for a $2Billion civil settlement. It's worth noting that he likely escaped personal prosecution only due to his close friendship with George W Bush (who he was in several business partnerships with, including co-ownership of the Texas Rangers baseball team)re:

Lovely guy eh.

14 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 4:34:14pm

re: #11 simoom

The thing I don't get with States saying they'll refuse the Medicaid expansion is how come they're in the current Medicaid program at all then. Under current Medicaid and CHIP the federal gov't share of costs is like 50 to 65%, while under the big ACA medicaid expansion, the fed gov't pays 100% until 2016, decreasing to 90% by 2020, and it stays at 90% from then on.

If 90% federal reimbursement isn't enough to make the huge decrease in uninsured and all the related State health benefits that would come with that worth it, how are these same states okay with remaining in the existing Medicaid or CHIP programs?

The Supreme Court in it's ruling on this took away the threatened stick implicit in the law to make states accept implementation of the insurance exchanges and enrolling at least some of those unable to pay for insurance into newly expanded medicaid coverage. The Federal government can neither withhold funds or cut existing percentage funding levels to states that fail to comply with the new law.

However in this case I don't think the stick will really be needed anyway. This is going to turn out to be nothing but election year grandstanding in the end, at least in my opinion. When these peoples constituents start asking them why they refuse to accept billions of dollars in Federal money to provide the poorest of the poor with healthcare instead of allowing them to inflate the cost of their own personal medical care, and why, oh why unlike their friends in neighboring states, they are unable to get much cheaper deals on their personal medical insurance thru the exchanges?

Then these Governors tune will suddenly change.

Of course they will have some "the government left me no choice" story to tell their base supporters, hell, it might even make as much sense* as the reasons they currently cite for refusing to implement ACA. ;)
*(which is to say none)

15 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:24:03pm

re: #11 simoom

The thing I don't get with States saying they'll refuse the Medicaid expansion is how come they're in the current Medicaid program at all then. Under current Medicaid and CHIP the federal gov't share of costs is like 50 to 65%, while under the big ACA medicaid expansion, the fed gov't pays 100% until 2016, decreasing to 90% by 2020, and it stays at 90% from then on.

If 90% federal reimbursement isn't enough to make the huge decrease in uninsured and all the related State health benefits that would come with that worth it, how are these same states okay with remaining in the existing Medicaid or CHIP programs?

It will also create millions of jobs, reduce the deficit, keep costs low for young Americans who couldn't previously afford healthcare, and will be cheaper for employers to provide healthcare because more people will be participating.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

16 What, me worry?  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:34:12pm

re: #14 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The Supreme Court in it's ruling on this took away the threatened stick implicit in the law to make states accept implementation of the insurance exchanges and enrolling at least some of those unable to pay for insurance into newly expanded medicaid coverage. The Federal government can neither withhold funds or cut existing percentage funding levels to states that fail to comply with the new law.

However in this case I don't think the stick will really be needed anyway. This is going to turn out to be nothing but election year grandstanding in the end, at least in my opinion. When these peoples constituents start asking them why they refuse to accept billions of dollars in Federal money to provide the poorest of the poor with healthcare instead of allowing them to inflate the cost of their own personal medical care, and why, oh why unlike their friends in neighboring states, they are unable to get much cheaper deals on their personal medical insurance thru the exchanges?

Then these Governors tune will suddenly change.

Of course they will have some "the government left me no choice" story to tell their base supporters, hell, it might even make as much sense* as the reasons they currently cite for refusing to implement ACA. ;)
*(which is to say none)

Interesting to note that re-election for Rick Scott (and others) will be Nov 2014. I'm assuming much of the ACA benefits kick in Jan 1, 2014? People will be paying less for insurance, others previously unable to afford it will be able to and wellness care will prevent people from costly E.R. visits (costly to the taxpayer... the highest form of healthcare is the E.R.). I don't think Lord Voldemort has a way outa this.


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