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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 6:03:19pm

Absolutely. Disaster preparedness is something you have to think about when you don't have a reason to think about it.

By the time it has become a critical subject for you, it's too late.

2 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 6:30:12pm

re: #1 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Absolutely. Disaster preparedness is something you have to think about when you don't have a reason to think about it.

By the time it has become a critical subject for you, it's too late.

Yep. But are you prepared to co-join disaster prep with Survivalism? They are one and the same. Just the another side of the coin.

3 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:24:51pm

Night Lizards. I am sure that those 66 people who lost their home are glad they had a plan, other than get out, get out now.

Think about it. Think about it now.

Because tomorrow may be to late.

If the shit was to hit the fan tonight, where would you go, What would you do?

What would you take? Where would you go?

Do you have food? What about water? Clothes?, what about bedding? Medicines? Do you know were they are? Do you even have a Fucking Clue?

Chances are, the answer to these questions is a resounding no and as a result you are LIABILITY to any recovery efforts

4 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:48:00pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

Yep. But are you prepared to co-join disaster prep with Survivalism?

The "ridicule" you spoke of earlier is, I think, aimed more at grifter schemes promoted by the likes of Glenn Beck, and the completely out-there paranoia of Alex Jones/Paulian types. In other words, it's their reasoning that's being mocked as opposed to the concept of survivalism (and consider this - the blithering idiots from the North Carolina legislature who deny sea level rise may politically align themselves with Paulian thought, but denying the laws of physics won't exactly help those "survivalist" Paulians when they have to put their money where their mouth is).

And like I said in the comment you linked to, current weather disasters should make the relevance of this topic obvious. I know they're only going to get worse, and I also know I haven't the faintest clue how I'd cope with a Katrina-style breakdown of the infrastructure we all depend on.

Any information you can supply would be welcomed. As far as I'm concerned, the difference between "disaster prep" and "survivalism" is little more than said disaster's length and degree.

5 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:02:23pm

We need a much more comprehensive zombie uprising preparedness plan/survival guide written because the one offered by the CDC seemed a bit tongue-in-cheek and campy. It was almost as if they were not taking this very real threat to America seriously...

j/k, sorry.

I grew up in on the Florida Gulf Coast where a Hurricane could always come along and cause extended power outages, flooding, sewer and water service outages, and many other headaches that could last for weeks. I have a well stocked pantry about a third of which is "hurricane food," I have a sterno stove and lots of sterno cans, I have a 60 gallon water bladder to place in the tub and fill if a storm system gets close enough, I have a spare five gallon bucket, a loose toilet seat to set on it, and a spade tipped shovel.

I'm ready!

6 Destro  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 6:48:06am

re: #4 Interesting Times

As far as I'm concerned, the difference between "disaster prep" and "survivalism" is little more than said disaster's length and degree.

Survivalists were originally called "retreaters" before some marketing genius realized that sounded weak and then became "survivalists" and it really was a movement based around the fear the USA would go down in flames due to nuclear war or economic collapse or race wars of the coming of the anti-christ (sometimes all of the above) and it was not about surviving a short term problem like a snow storm or earthquake or hurricane, etc.

Everyone should have a Disaster/Survival preparedness plan based on where they live (earthquake zone, tornado zone, hurricane zone, snow storm zone) and avoid the crazy end of the world type survivalism.

7 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 6:57:07am

I like the idea of disaster prep, which is survival without the 'ism'. everywhere I've traveled I've carried a bug-out bag stuffed into a 10x10x8 inch army medical kit. It was intended to let me walk out of whatever place I found myself, with maps of the country and a dictionary swapped out as needed. So 'prepping' (the new term) is not strange to me. It will be fun to contrast your effort to the long-established Freeper thread.

8 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 3:00:40pm

For me disaster prep gear is just a superset of my ultralight backpacking gear, with the only real rule being that everything has to fit in my station wagon.

Backpacking gear:

-Granite Gear Nimbus Core.
-MSR Carbon Reflex 2 tent with matching ground cover (sleeps 1 comfortably, 2 in a pinch.)
-First Need XL water purifier
-Nalgene water bottle
-Toothbrush, Toothpaste, Dental Floss.
-2 oz bottle Dr. Bronner's Pure Castile Soap (ALL-ONE!)
-20 liter folding kitchen sink (really useful)
-Firesteel Armageddon Jr.
-Alcohol based hand sanitizer (doubles as firestarter)
-Fenix TK-15 LED flashlight
-Marmot Plasma 30 Sleeping bag (I live along SoCal coast, so I can get away with the lightest bag available and wear clothes if it gets too cold. You should purchase bag(s) appropriate to your region's climate variability.)
-One foam ground pad (good for insulation)
-One Exped Multi-Mat (added ground padding, useful for laying out gear in the morning.)
-Leatherman Wave Multitool
-CRKT Surf 'n Turf (especially if planning to fish)
-CRKT Dogfish
-Spyderco Viele (may switch this out soon for Benchmade Griptillian Tanto)
-American Kami Apocalyspork ('cuz it's cool, opens beer.)
-Snowpeak Titanium Multi-compact cookset
-Snowpeak Litemax Titanium Stove (w/ Gigapower 220g fuel)
-REI Multi-towel x2
-Globe Skimmer 10' x 12' UL tarp.
-Black Diamond Alpine Carbon Cork hiking poles (doubles as supports for second tarp shelter.)
-Adventure Medical Kits Ultralight .9
-Three month supply blood pressure meds
-ACR ResQLink Personal Locator Beacon
-Tenkara USA Amago with level line, tippet and lures. (Weighs under 4oz total, lets you fish for food.)
-Hand held fishing net.
-Ruger 10/22 Takedown with 50 rounds CCI green tag. (If small game hunting allowed)
-100 ft. lightweight paracord.

I'm probably forgetting a couple things. The goal for me isn't to make the lightest pack possible, I buy ultralight items so I can carry more for the same weight and be more comfortable.

Clothing: There's not a lot to say here, but wool is your friend. It's warm, light, layers well, and doesn't stink up nearly as quick as other fibers. I have a couple pairs of hiking boots, an old pair of Vasque Skywalks and a new pair of Patagonia river boots. Hip waders are also really wonderful things to have if you plan to do any inland fishing or cross any streams.

Food:
Mountain House: garden green peas, golden sweet whole kernel corn, chicken a la king, lasagna with meat sauce, chili mac with beef, grilled chicken breasts with mashed potatoes. There are other good brands of dehydrated camping food too. MaryJanesFarm and Backpackers Pantry. The quality of every individual item in every brand varies, and taste is subjective so experimenting to find out what you like is good before purchasing a bunch of it.

Disaster Prep is mostly about filling out and adding layers of redundancy to the camping gear. More changes in clothing, more food, water, two year supply of meds, a hammer poll tomahawk/light timber axe, a valaska (axe head walking stick), more paracord, a second TK-15 flashlight, Grabber hand warmers big pack, needle and thread, waterproof patches to repair hip waders, more Dr. Bronner's soap, shampoo, deodorant, a backup stove (MSR Whisperlite with two reusable canisters), stove repair kit, five gallons White Gas, extra isobutane canisters for Snowpeak Litemax stove, second older set of camping cookware, Titanium French Press for coffee, a Firesteel Bunker, second larger first aid kit, more towels, also more guns and ammunition (not going to get too specific here.) Also, a digital camera and batteries, tripod, laptop computer with car charger, paper pad, pen/pencil (just because shit's going down is no reason not to document it.)

9 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 3:12:37pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

Good set. Add in lot of 6 mil polyethylene sheet, mylar reflectorized sheeting, an aircrew signaling mirror (you will, of course, want to shave). The important distinction is to decide whether the situation calls for instant mobility (flood) or hunker-down. A hand-cranked NOAA radio is invaluable, especially if it has usb charging capability.

10 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 3:24:07pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Good idea, especially the sheeting. The mirror I've got covered with a Suunto MC-2 compass.

I'm thinking of building a slightly scaled down breakout pack that'll fit on a Bob trailer. I've got a few Ortlieb waterproof panniers and a nice old 1996 Gary Fisher Mt. Tam mountain bike with a Tubus steel rack that'll take a lot of weight. A Bob trailer would keep me mobile and independent of the car when/if it breaks down or gas becomes too difficult to find.

11 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 3:30:16pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Good idea, especially the sheeting. The mirror I've got covered with a Suunto MC-2 compass.

I'm thinking of building a slightly scaled down breakout pack that'll fit on a Bob trailer. I've got a few Ortlieb waterproof panniers and a nice old 1996 Gary Fisher Mt. Tam mountain bike with a Tubus steel rack that'll take a lot of weight. A Bob trailer would keep me mobile and independent of the car when/if it breaks down or gas becomes too difficult to find.

We are too old and slow to worry about long-distance walking. Oddly, the 18' canoe might be our best transport out of a flood or other situation that makes the LandRover unusable. (The Rover itself is an FFR, designed to power a whole TOC worth of radios with its 24v alternator.) We either stay put or move heavy, but that's been true of our camping since we started having kids. Helps to think of the whole thing as an extended ad hoc camping trip.

12 Genshed  Mon, Jul 2, 2012 9:44:13pm

I have the comfort of knowing that floor, hurricane, or tornado are all vanishingly unlikely in my area.

There is, of course, the fact that a major earthquake is not only possible, but almost certain. We do have the 72 hour emergency supply crate, and we know exACTly where it is.


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