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1 Destro  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:00:50pm
I don’t have a question, more of an observation: this is yet another incident that underscores the extent to which the creation and maintenance of the Palestinian refugee population is a region-wide issue. Unfortunately, it is never treated as region-wide issue: it is treated as Israel’s responsibility. A narrative has been carefully crafted, in which Israel is the sole actor at fault, and (it is strongly suggested), the region would suddenly erupt in peace and Bollywood dance routines if Israel would just for goodness sakes be reasonable.

What's your point? Because Jordan treats her Palestinian refugees like shit, Israel should not catch any grief for also treating the Palestinians like shit until the world also puts grief on Jordan?

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:25:22pm

re: #1 Destro

What's your point? Because Jordan treats her Palestinian refugees like shit, Israel should not catch any grief for also treating the Palestinians like shit until the world also puts grief on Jordan?

No, SFZ's point is that Israel gets screamed at when it does things that are far less harsh and far more defensible than what Jordan is doing. Her point is that Israel is unjustly singled out for criticism in its region and that the hyperbolic rhetoric thrown at Israel does not match reality.

And I will further argue that Israel does not in fact "treat Palestinians like shit". Israel just took out a major loan to keep the PA from going bankrupt, and that's in addition to the food and fuel Israel provides to the Palestinian territories. Israel always approaches a matter with the Palestinians asking for good faith bargaining, and the Palestinians always reply with hate and demonization.

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 7:52:03pm

re: #1 Destro

What's your point? Because Jordan treats her Palestinian refugees like shit, Israel should not catch any grief for also treating the Palestinians like shit until the world also puts grief on Jordan?

I think it's fairly telling that you can even pretend to read that into what I wrote.

No, my point is that this can't get fixed if everyone involved doesn't want it to get fixed. Israel doesn't have a magic wand. Perhaps it's naive to hope that some sort of regional cooperation could actually put the problem to bed. But without that, this whole situation could drag on to infinity.

Jordan's record on her Palestinian residents is actually better than that of several other nations, as I made a point of mentioning. If Israel and Jordan could work together honestly, it would make an enormous difference. There are reasons that isn't likely to happen, but it would be enormously worthwhile. This is something I have, perhaps irrational, hope for.

4 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Jul 8, 2012 8:06:56pm

Very good post.

Because while the world cares very much what Israel does, no one (Israel’s bordering states least of all), cares very much what happens to the Palestinians themselves.

Quoted for truth.

5 Destro  Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:16:33am

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Israel's problems with the Palestinians are more pronounced than Jordan's one woukld think by the fact that they still control the West Bank and Gaza's borders.


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