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1 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 10:58:11am

I'm going to be a mild jerk here. Calling shenanigans on this theory.

Joe Scarborough thinks Holmes is 'on the autism spectrum' because Scarborough's son has Aspergers. He's also bright, and socially inept.

People do not go on murder sprees because they have ADHD, or Aspergers, although I guess there is nothing stopping a person who's going to go on a murder spree from also having ADHD or Aspergers. All this guy, and Scarborough, are doing is scaring the living daylights out of parents of children with these common conditions which are not linked to violence like this.

Let's let an actual shrink look at this guy before we start putting our own personal diagnoses on him, based on nothing more than 'he was real smart, and didn't make friends easily', which may not even be entirely correct, given the short amount of time we've had to figure out who he was.

2 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 11:03:49am

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I didn't know how to say that. You did it without being a jerk at all, I think.

3 researchok  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 11:32:29am

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #2 wrenchwench

Pity only one upding is allowed.

4 EiMitch  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 11:57:35am

There are plenty of pet theories as to why this killing and/or mass killings in general happened. The reason is quite simple: science can't yet explain it.

In such vacuums, we've got no shortage of people confusing correlation with causation, desperately trying to connect unidentified dots, pushing a political/social agenda, and/or talking out their narcissistic ass just for the attention.

I'm not sure which of the above apply to dragonfire. But at least df waited a few days. Thats more than can be said for most people with "explanations." **Fry-squint**

5 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:10:22pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to be a mild jerk here. Calling shenanigans on this theory.

Joe Scarborough thinks Holmes is 'on the autism spectrum' because Scarborough's son has Aspergers. He's also bright, and socially inept.

People do not go on murder sprees because they have ADHD, or Aspergers, although I guess there is nothing stopping a person who's going to go on a murder spree from also having ADHD or Aspergers. All this guy, and Scarborough, are doing is scaring the living daylights out of parents of children with these common conditions which are not linked to violence like this.

Let's let an actual shrink look at this guy before we start putting our own personal diagnoses on him, based on nothing more than 'he was real smart, and didn't make friends easily', which may not even be entirely correct, given the short amount of time we've had to figure out who he was.

I realize my theory is highly speculative, it's just that I noticed several intriguing parallels to Holmes and myself and upon investigating a little deeper discovered that ADHD behavior might explain the connection.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:11:52pm

re: #4 EiMitch

There are plenty of pet theories as to why this killing and/or mass killings in general happened. The reason is quite simple: science can't yet explain it.

In such vacuums, we've got no shortage of people confusing correlation with causation, desperately trying to connect unidentified dots, pushing a political/social agenda, and/or talking out their narcissistic ass just for the attention.

I'm not sure which of the above apply to dragonfire. But at least df waited a few days. Thats more than can be said for most people with "explanations." **Fry-squint**

Yes, and I don't want to be a jerk to DF1981, by any means. It's just that right now we have very little we know for sure about Holmes, and distance-diagnosing him with things that are not associated with this kind of high-level violence seems real counterproductive.

7 Destro  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:16:13pm

I am going to take another approach. For some reason in the USA, going to a psychiatrist is still seen as a bad thing. We don't know much about the human condition but we have such bad healthcare that mental health in America is neglected. For example, would you vote for a candidate for president who sees a therapist? Seeing a mental health therapist should be as stigma inducing as seeing a dentist.

Also, we have a Darwinian social model that casts off 'losers' into the pit of fire and this seems to create cases were people who are marginal mentally healthy snap and go on mass killing sprees and they target everyone because everyone is in on the Darwinian social model. When we had reports of bullying in school stories I was shocked (I should not have been) at how many adults on forums downplayed bullying and even said it was a good thing because it prepared children for a tough world, etc. I am not syaing this case was a result of bullying, just showing how societal attitudes when filtered onto the individual level can be harmful to sensitive psyches

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:54:36pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

I realize my theory is highly speculative, it's just that I noticed several intriguing parallels to Holmes and myself and upon investigating a little deeper discovered that ADHD behavior might explain the connection.

I get that, I just...think everything stated above. Hope I'm not being a heavy here.

9 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 1:52:12pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

I get that, I just...think everything stated above. Hope I'm not being a heavy here.

Nope, not at all. I appreciate your input and I was prepared for a wide variety of responses to this page.

10 Bob Levin  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 4:10:17pm
I believe that given the information above and my own personal experiences, there is a strong possibility that James Holmes has ADHD, most likely along with at least one other psychological condition.

That one other condition, at least, is going to be pretty significant, enough to put ADHD, if he has it, way down the list of conditions that he does have. The only psychological question that is relevant from this point forward is--did he know that his actions were wrong at the time he was doing them?

It's also speculative to assume this person had a sensitive psyche. His actions could easily lead to conclusions that are quite the opposite.

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 5:27:13pm

re: #5 dragonfire1981

I realize my theory is highly speculative, it's just that I noticed several intriguing parallels to Holmes and myself and upon investigating a little deeper discovered that ADHD behavior might explain the connection.

I can relate myself. Indeed, I spent some of the weekend in my own introspection. I was going to do a longer post on my thoughts, but I've got hold off for now. But I will say that Dragonfire captured a good bit of how I feel.

12 dragonath  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 6:23:42pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

Joe Scarbororough places high on the "jerk" spectrum.

13 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 7:28:07pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

Nope, not at all. I appreciate your input and I was prepared for a wide variety of responses to this page.

Thank you for bringing this up, you've given me a lot to think about.

I'm not going to put up own thoughts on ADHD, after further reflection, but I will e-mail them to you if you wish (nic is blue).

14 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 23, 2012 8:48:25pm

I'd check to see if he has freckles.
Or one eye lower than the other.

Obviously I'm being facetious with those two suggestions, but they're there to make a point - there are many possible explanations when rigorous logic isn't applied.

Speculation like this isn't helpful in understanding why a person does something so horrible, we really need to wait for the assessment process to finish. ADHD and autism (my grandson has both, my daughter and I have Aspergers) may have symptoms similar to what has been reported about the alleged murderer, but even the reports are questionable because of their source.

Something that often seems to get lost in the rush for explanations is that it takes far more than just the possibility of a link for that link to be real. When it's a causal link, all other likely links have to be eliminated before we can conclude anything. In this case, that has not been done.

15 Buck  Tue, Jul 24, 2012 6:23:49am

No one wants to believe that sometimes a person is just evil.


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