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1 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 10:43:22am

It embarrasses me that this guy is my state's most influential member of Congress and baring serious scandal or death, there's no way he's losing his seat.

2 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:26:38am

This is why I firmly know, not believe, that a vote for any GOP/TP candidate anywhere is a vote for the most reprehensible GOP/TP candidate everywhere. Rats defend rats. There is no honor among these stooges.

3 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:43:29am

But look how fast McCarthy lost influence and credibility. It was a movement that was ultimately made of straw.

4 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:59:45am

re: #3 Bob Levin

But look how fast McCarthy lost influence and credibility. It was a movement that was ultimately made of straw.

Perhaps, but it screwed up a lot of lives before it was over. That Bachmann & Co. aren't being unequivocally condemned by the majority of Republicans & Democrats for trying to revive that ugliness is pathetic. Sitting around quietly hoping nothing will come of it isn't an option as far as I'm concerned.

Besides, IMO, the only reason it's getting any condemnation is because Huma Adbedin is a well known political insider who's generally well liked & respected.

5 andres  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:07:54pm

re: #3 Bob Levin

But look how fast McCarthy lost influence and credibility. It was a movement that was ultimately made of straw.

In the mean time, it destroys lives of people who can't defend themselves from their high horse inquisitors so utterly that many couldn't continue their jobs, or find new ones.

6 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:16:42pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

We'll see where it is, the Tea Party, after November. I had to Google to pre-check this statement: but they haven't held any hearings or garnered business support in the way that McCarthy or HUAC did.

When people mention the lives ruined by HUAC--they usually refer to the Hollywood Blacklist--which reflected the antisemitic tone of the group. However, the Blacklist coincided with Hollywood's loss of the anti-trust lawsuit, which completely destroyed the business model. In other words, HUAC or not, Hollywood would have experienced a very large number of layoffs.

I'm just saying that there isn't nearly the kind of public support for the Tea Party that McCarthy enjoyed.

7 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:20:42pm

re: #5 andres

I find the whole thing pretty revolting, which means that you may know a lot more about the carnage than I do. However, the economic collapse in 2008 did quite a bit of damage by itself--and perhaps it seems as if the Tea Party rhetoric was riding that catastrophe like a surfer.

8 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:21:42pm

re: #6 Bob Levin

I'm just saying that there isn't nearly the kind of public support for the Tea Party that McCarthy enjoyed.

McCarthy didn't have Fox News and mega-billionaires like the Kochs and Adelson propping him up.

9 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:26:07pm

re: #8 Interesting Times

The Cincinnati Reds changed their name, officially, to the Cincinnati Redlegs during this period--because use of the word red could get you into deep trouble. There were three networks. I don't see the Kochs, and I definitely do not see Adelson having the kind of influence they wish their money could buy. If I'm wrong, then the Tea Party will hold their own in November. If I'm right, the Republican Party will have to start from square one.

10 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:36:33pm

NRO's Andy McCarthy jumped on this bandwagon. This is the new Republican establishment, and the underlying theme that held the party together throughout the 00s.

11 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:39:36pm

re: #6 Bob Levin

There may not have been hearings on "un-American activities" yet, but that's essentially what Bachmann is proposing.

There have, however, been Peter King's two "radicalization" hearings, numerous high profile conservatives making outright bigoted anti-Muslim statements, the ongoing anti-mosque hysteria that started in the summer of 2010, and—thanks in no small part to David Yerushalmi—dozens of states that have considered anti-Sharia laws (though only a few actually passed) . Some of the proposed laws were so draconian that they would have effectively made it a crime to practice Islam.

If the same things were happening but the target was Jewish Americans, synagogues, and Halacha, you and a lot of other people would (rightfully) be screaming at the top of your lungs that it come to an immediate stop, you wouldn't be saying, "Oh, well, let's just wait and see."

12 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:55:03pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

I hear you. And in my Google search, I did come across the King hearings. And he could only have those hearings because the Republicans control the house.

If the same things were happening but the target was Jewish Americans, synagogues, and Halacha, you and a lot of other people would (rightfully) be screaming at the top of your lungs that it come to an immediate stop, you wouldn't be saying, "Oh, well, let's just wait and see."

First, it did happen in the thirties and fifties, although it didn't touch halacha because many Jews didn't care about halacha. And yes, that is exactly what happened, we waited and voted them out of office. What alternatives did we have? What alternatives do you have now?

So what happened between the fifties and now? The sixties. Now you can organize as many protests and demonstrations as you wish, and please do. There are many TV networks, a buzzing internet. Those were not options in the late forties and fifties--or it was, but it was the same as choosing to get your skull cracked open.

I'm not saying, let's wait and see. But I am saying this could all be over in a few months.

13 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:56:23pm

re: #10 Fred Galt

So, you're saying that the new Republican establishment doesn't care about winning elections? That would be good news, right?

14 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:00:39pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

I could even add that it happened in the forties, stretching into the armed services--as my dad ended up a little confused as to the location of the enemy. He experienced a great deal of antisemitism in the service. But the war also brought many groups together for the first time and ended up, I believe, decreasing the animosity that existed towards people who were out of one person's normal sphere.

15 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:02:30pm

re: #12 Bob Levin

Right, now we have the internet, the web, Facebook, Twitter, email, cell phones, etc.—all tools that we can use to make our voices heard (along with the older traditional methods, such as demonstrations). We may have to wait for the next election, but in the meantime we have to speak up loud & clear.

16 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:05:27pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Please do. I'm saying that you are considerably stronger than the group you are fighting. (I'm standing in the back of the crowd, so to speak. Not twenty-five anymore.)

17 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:15:02pm

re: #16 Bob Levin

Part of what chafes WRT to Cantor is that he's the House Majority Leader. When you're in a position of leadership, you shoulder more responsibility for doing what's right than the rank & file because...well, because that's what leaders are supposed to do, lead by way of example, not hedge. At least that's what my parents taught me when I was growing up.

18 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:23:44pm

re: #2 nines09

This is why I firmly know, not believe, that a vote for any GOP/TP candidate anywhere is a vote for the most reprehensible GOP/TP candidate everywhere. Rats defend rats. There is no honor among these stooges.

GOP/TP sounds like the name for a completely terrible network communication protocol.

19 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:27:21pm

re: #13 Bob Levin

You're underestimating how many people vote Republican on this issue. Look how many people think Obama is a Muslim!

20 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:28:23pm

re: #18 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

Grifters On Parade Toilet Paper.

21 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:44pm

re: #19 Fred Galt

I will grant you that Republicans are louder.

22 Bob Levin  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:50:36pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Thank goodness your folks weren't politicians. ;-) Friday. See you later. Enjoy the evening.

23 Sophia77  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:56:00pm

Is there any hope that Cantor will be defeated this fall? I hope?

24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:57:47pm

re: #23 Sophia77

Is there any hope that Cantor will be defeated this fall? I hope?

None. It's probably the most Republican district in the state. You would need a serious scandal to bring Cantor down and a year like 2006 or 08 that favors Democrats. It's unfortunate because Cantor really is nauseating to watch.

25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 4:53:39pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

None. It's probably the most Republican district in the state. You would need a serious scandal to bring Cantor down and a year like 2006 or 08 that favors Democrats. It's unfortunate because Cantor really is nauseating to watch.

I can't imagine the most Republican district in the state producing anything better then Cantor. Like it are not these people represent the majority of voters in the districts which is exactly what they are supposed to do. 85% of Congress will be reelected because not matter how much they might be loathed anywhere else the folks at home like them just fine.

26 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 4:58:12pm

re: #19 Fred Galt

You're underestimating how many people vote Republican on this issue. Look how many people think Obama is a Muslim!

The GOP using fear and bigotry to win votes in not new. It's their primary electoral strategy. The question isn't when will they stop, it's when will the strategy stop working?

Everyone keeps saying that demographics will force them to change or they will be doomed, but I have a feeling that the GOP could do a lot better being a quasi white Christian people's party for another generation then most would like to think. Especially when Democratic constituencies aren't as reliable voters.

27 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:19:46pm

re: #25 moderatelyradicalliberal

I can't imagine the most Republican district in the state producing anything better then Cantor. Like it are not these people represent the majority of voters in the districts which is exactly what they are supposed to do. 85% of Congress will be reelected because not matter how much they might be loathed anywhere else the folks at home like them just fine.

I can't either. Then again, the district where I went to college had a moderate Republican in Tom Davis for a long time and ever since Gerry Connolly took that seat after Rep Davis retired, the local GOP has ran a real nut case in Keith Finian. I think Cantor's big dream is to become Speaker some day. If he had Senate or gubetorial ambitions, I think he would be in the running for governor next year or senator this year. I think he knows he's got limited statewide appeal which is of course fine.


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