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1 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 3:23:39pm

I have been trying to do a Daf Yomi for some time now. I don't hit every day and I am not even half way through Shas.

But I keep at it :)

2 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:09:33pm

So Destro... care to explain why you are downdinging Daf Yomi?

Seriously.

Speak up.

3 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:22:06pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

So Destro... care to explain why you are downdinging Daf Yomi?

Seriously.

Speak up.

Scary Jew shadow is too scary.

4 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:54:56pm

re: #3 Learned Mother of Zion

Scary Jew shadow is too scary.

Damn straight... scary Jew Shadows are responsible for a dramatic increase in hat silhouettes. As you know, fear of hat silhouettes is a crippling phobia just like the Zionist Occupation of Remulak planned when we programmed some monkey genes here on Earth a few million years ago.

Ohhh... and for those not classified enough to read that, you can thank us for Swedish Blondes too.

Ohhh... and fnord

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 5:06:48pm

Kol ha-kavod to everyone who actually did it--the most astonishing output of effort.

I don't want to take anything away from any of them, but to the SJS in the last photo...dude, the plastic hat covers...more than kinda played. Get an umbrella.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 5:09:30pm

The ponchos definitely take away from the scariness of the Jew shadow.

I still want to know why the Jew Shadow, despite being everywhere, never gets to go to Disneyworld? I mean, that's the land of the silhouette--the one Disney silhouette--so why can't they go? It's not fair.

7 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 6:04:26pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The plastic poncho/hat cover thingies make them look like Scary Pod Jew Shadows. That's even worse. I wonder if they'll multiply if water touches them...? //

8 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 6:10:28pm

Daf Yomi!

I wish I could be there. I've only sporadically followed along. I wish I had more time for it.

9 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 7:35:32pm

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not religious nor believe in any thing supernatural but if this is a solemn thing why make light of it in your title like that? I negged it for the title not the content.

10 jaunte  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 7:38:52pm

re: #9 Destro

"Scary Jew Shadow" is a recurring theme with Alouette in which she mocks the frequent practice in media of picturing Jews as mysterious or ominous shadows.

11 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 7:56:59pm

re: #9 Destro

I am not religious nor believe in any thing supernatural but if this is a solemn thing why make light of it in your title like that? I negged it for the title not the content.

This is not my thread, Alouette is making a point you missed about the way that Jews are portrayed in the media.

You did neg my post too:

I have been trying to do a Daf Yomi for some time now. I don't hit every day and I am not even half way through Shas.

But I keep at it :)

So what is not solemn enough about that to mock?

But you know what, I am not going to play this game. I've been bloging far too long to play it and I will just cut to the chase.

There are some non-religious folks with a big chip on their shoulder who see the need to neg on anything religious. Seeing people enjoy their religion makes people like you uncomfortable, so you lash out. It's not cool. Don't do it. Don't pretend you didn't - unless it was the alternative - which is you just neg on Jewish stuff. In that case, it would be wise to keep that to yourself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I get that you hate religion and think it is stupid and that only stupid people could believe it. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get the litany of horrors caused by religion. I know the history of religious wars, 30 years war, Reformation, crusades and pogroms and inquisitions better than you do - and you know what? That is more about defective people abusing religion than acting as their faith teaches them to behave.

In the absence of religion, people like that become atheist monsters just as bad, like the Stalinists, the Maoists, the Khmer Rouge and the Nazis.

That stuff is all about power and a host of other nasty things that religion generally preaches against.

Going into religion vs science with me would be a very bad mistake also.

So anyway, I just thought I'd get to the end of the conversation. I am sure your brilliant reply will be scathing. The short form is it will be less brilliant that you think it will be, and you need to just be less hostile.

12 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:01:28pm

re: #10 jaunte

"Scary Jew Shadow" is a recurring theme with Alouette in which she mocks the frequent practice in media of picturing Jews as mysterious or ominous shadows.

Seriously? A little heads up next time.

13 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:09:31pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

I negged you for what you implied/assumed towards me. And I would love to converse about religion vs science with you or anyone anytime in a non-hostile manner. And the hostility here - if you are honest came from your end directed at me. Mine was directed by one click of the mouse on a title I found 'low brow'.

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:18:27pm

re: #9 Destro

I am not religious nor believe in any thing supernatural but if this is a solemn thing why make light of it in your title like that? I negged it for the title not the content.

So, you're defending religion from flippancy?

15 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:21:43pm

re: #13 Destro

I negged you for what you implied/assumed towards me. And I would love to converse about religion vs science with you or anyone anytime in a non-hostile manner. And the hostility here - if you are honest came from your end directed at me. Mine was directed by one click of the mouse on a title I found 'low brow'.

Dude, you negged:

I have been trying to do a Daf Yomi for some time now. I don't hit every day and I am not even half way through Shas.

But I keep at it :)

How was that directed at you at all?

But like I said, I am not going to play this game with you. Please don't deny you were knee jerk lashing out at any religious expression. And just please don't do it.

16 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:50:07pm

re: #12 Destro

Seriously? A little heads up next time.

Heads up? You account had been dormant for quite some time until recently, so if you're not familiar with the things people post now perhaps you should take your finger off the ding trigger and simply ask for clarification in a non-combative way: "Alouette, if your religion is a solemn thing to you, then why do you appear to be mocking the Jews in the photos?"

That's just a suggestion. Obliviously, you're free to respond as aggressively as you want and deal with the subsequent fallout.

17 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 8:58:51pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

Sarcasm tag would help/

18 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:02:20pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

The word "Jew" alone without the "ish" suffix is the equivalent of the N word for African Americans.

19 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:07:08pm

re: #15 LudwigVanQuixote

If I was to give a negative remark I would have. For example, I could have said any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule is a religion that should be mocked and shunned and not allowed to be the basis of secular law but I did not - until now.

20 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:08:48pm

I need a learning partner. I'm just putting it out there. ;-)

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:11:42pm

I'm still campaigning for the Scary Jew Shadow to take a break from menacing various things that the media wishes to be menaced and get to take a vacation.

The day I see the silhouette or shadow against the castle in Disneyland, I will know that my quest is fulfilled.

22 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:11:50pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Get an umbrella.

If they davened Ma'ariv, holding an umbrella in midst of the shuchling could put someone's eye out. You have to think things through. ;-)

23 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:39:57pm

re: #19 Destro

If I was to give a negative remark I would have. For example, I could have said any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule is a religion that should be mocked and shunned and not allowed to be the basis of secular law but I did not - until now.

So the idea here was to warn you off from knee jerk fight picking.

I have to be honest and say I have more than once fell into that. In fact, I came to a point where there were people on this board I wanted to strangle because they were just so wrong.

So take it from a semi-mostly- I'm working on it-repentant sinner who still has a temper when dealing with an apparent web twit. There were times when the dynamics got so f'd up it didn't matter if I was saying that 2+2 made 4, I would still have ten angry responses fired back at me. The thing is, when I got in that position, I could normally back up what I was saying and it still didn't matter - why because people were pissed off to the point that there was not going to be any sort of intellectual discussion and it just turned into a slug fest.

The thing for you is, that your arguments are not as tight as you think they are and you will manage to piss people off enough to give you hell.

For example, let's revisit your quote:

If I was to give a negative remark I would have. For example, I could have said any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule is a religion that should be mocked and shunned and not allowed to be the basis of secular law but I did not - until now.

Ok you hate the death penalty... ok but then you put 'holy man' in quotes, use sacred in a tone dripping with sarcasm, and say that rules that include capital punishment should be shunned and mocked etc...

So of course you are petulantly picking a fight. So this kiddo is a little object lesson for you.

First of all, Jewish law (and this is a Jewish thread) only allows for the death penalty in the case of an orgy of evidence and is procedurally written so as to make its application almost impossible. Please don't try to quote at me from some inappropriate source to attempt to dispute that fact. The appropriate places to look are places like tractate Sanhedrin and Makkos etc...

Now that said, capital punishment is on the books.

Let me give you a case that if the rules of evidence were met would demand the death penalty:

A man walks up to a woman on the street, rips her baby from her arms and snaps the baby's neck, then, he kidnaps, rapes and kills the mother.

That violates a whole bunch of rules that our holy men have laid out in exquisite detail. Is it really a code that needs to be mocked and shunned?

Oh I am sure that you can come up with a pretty movement of the goal posts, but again this is Jewish law and you did say "any law that..."

For the death penalty to be invoked, there is an orgy of evidence that this guy did it. There are multiple witnesses to the acts of murder and the brutal rape itself. There is no doubt who did it.

So is it truly uncivilized to put the beast who did such a thing down? can you truly say that with the sneer you wrote your first statement with? If you do, you will sound like an ass. If you don't, then you are just defeated outright.

24 philosophus invidius  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:46:31pm

re: #19 Destro

If I was to give a negative remark I would have. For example, I could have said any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule is a religion that should be mocked and shunned and not allowed to be the basis of secular law but I did not - until now.

I think this comment should get an award of some kind.

25 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:48:53pm

re: #24 philosophus invidius

Well then you can answer the question I put to him as well. I would be curious to hear your remarks.

26 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:51:50pm

I think I see where this is headed...

G'nite, lizards. ;)

27 philosophus invidius  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:53:02pm

... a few candidates:
"most immature comment award"
"not-fooling-anyone award"

28 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:53:05pm

re: #26 CuriousLurker

I think I see where this is headed...

G'nite, lizards. ;)

Indeed.

29 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:53:41pm

re: #27 philosophus invidius

... a few candidates:
"most immature comment award"
"not-fooling-anyone award"

Then my apologies to you. Please forgive me.

30 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 9:57:24pm

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

I would be more than willing to continue a conversation on a thread that is of topic. You brought this up because I said I don't believe in the supernatural.

As for the death penalty being on the books and you bringing up murder most vile as an act that justifies the death penalty. That's an easy one to throw out.

What about the stuff that the calls for the death penalty for stuff like apostasy, homosexuality, etc.

31 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 10:05:13pm

re: #30 Destro

I would be more than willing to continue a conversation on a thread that is of topic. You brought this up because I said I don't believe in the supernatural.

As for the death penalty being on the books and you bringing up murder most vile as an act that justifies the death penalty. That's an easy one to throw out.

What about the stuff that the calls for the death penalty for stuff like apostasy, homosexuality, etc.

That is shifting the goal post. My comments are completely on target.

You said: any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule

Judaism is a religion.

It calls for the death penalty for violating some rules in its writings.

I gave you a case that would violate Jewish law and demand the death penalty.

All of your conditions have been met.

So is that case mockable and in need of shunning from secular society?

And yet you dodge the question.

You wisely tried to dodge it, but a more mature person might have said, "ok you are right, I spoke too harshly too soon when angry sorry etc..."

As to homosexuality, the short answer is that it is impossible to convict and the death penalty would be moot. The long answer can wait, because you should be smart enough to see that the point here, the real point, is about you chilling out and not being so petulant.

32 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 10:48:19pm

I am against the death penalty even for murderers. The death penalty is a vile act. And I find the way you avoided the question on the death penalty and homosexuality a dodge. I say so in the most chilled fashion I can. If we had some wine at my villa by the beach I would be saying the same thing in the same way. I have posted lots of stuff on right wing dominionists in America who for example want to not pass laws against dog and cock fighting because they feel that god placed animals on earth to be used by man as he sees fit and other examples like dominionist denying enviornmental checks.

So even when I am 'hostile' to religion it is for me about public policy not what one does in their place of worship or home.

This thread is not about this. You asked why I negged this thread. I am not used to seing titles of threads with the "J" word used like that. I have my laptop open, people pass by at work, I don't want them to see a word they may find offensive out of the blue like that.

Again, I would be more than happy to converse on metaphysics vs pyhsics. I have to use the multiple degrees I got at Baruch to some good use other than to make money so I can lounge around in Europe drinking wine by the beach.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 10:55:03pm

re: #18 Destro

The word "Jew" alone without the "ish" suffix is the equivalent of the N word for African Americans.

So you were concerned. Very concerned. Because Alouette was using unpleasant language about a religious group.

But you didn't ask what it meant, or voice a concern about her phrasing. Why is that?

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 10:55:48pm

re: #19 Destro

If I was to give a negative remark I would have. For example, I could have said any religion that calls for the death penalty in its sacred laws or writtings or by one of its 'holy men' for violating some rule is a religion that should be mocked and shunned and not allowed to be the basis of secular law but I did not - until now.

You have to make your mind up. Are you here to be concerned about Alouette not showing respect to the Daf Yomi, or are you here to stomp your feet about religion?

35 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 11:04:15pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Like I said, the issue is the word used. The religous context to me is meaningless and besides the point.

36 Destro  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 11:06:22pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

I have my laptop open, people pass by, I don't want them to see a word they may find offensive out of the blue like that. The less that sort of thing the better. What next? Posts with the N word in the title but spelled in the hip hop way?

37 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 11:32:52pm

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm proud of you, guy.

38 Bob Levin  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 11:33:32pm

For your entire conversation.

39 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 3, 2012 4:17:16am

So Destro is upset at the way that I appear to be mocking or denigrating of MY OWN RELIGION in the title, and he is sticking up for the poor innocent Hebrews that he thinks I have abused.

As others have already pointed out, "Scary Jew Shadow" is a recurring theme at my blog since I noticed this photo.

The Siyum HaShas is a huge event and has been covered extensively in the media, quite respectfully I might add.

I don't have as much time to update my blog as often as I used to, and when I do I like to feature some unique angle that hasn't been covered elsewhere.

40 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 3, 2012 4:31:53am

Destro, you continue to confuse the shit out of me with your insanely poor choices for argument.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 3, 2012 11:22:36am

Oh, and by the way, "Jew" is not "the J word". I am a Jew. Other people are allowed to say that. It is a correct, and honorable term, reclaimed from generations of people using old-fashioned euphemisms like 'of the Hebrew faith'.

Using it as an adjective in place of "Jewish" is either uneducated or offensive, but it is not by any stretch the same as the N-word.

And Alouette is not using it like that. It's the shadow of the scary Jew, not the scary Jewish shadow.

And now I have to give up ranting about this, because this argument makes no sense, and is going nowhere.


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