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1 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:26:45am

I am still not getting the "scary jew" meme. The term "Jew" used like this is offensive (as opposed to the non offensive "Jewish shadow"). It is like saying the "N" word.

I don't get what the claim is for the meme? That there is an attempt to show news photographers are showing Jews as scary in shadows? (I don't see backlighting as scary but artistic) or is this mocking Jewish people? Or is this an expose on supposed mocking of Jewish people by the mainstream press (I don't see mocking, either).

2 Bob Levin  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:45:17am
The term "Jew" used like this is offensive (as opposed to the non offensive "Jewish shadow"). It is like saying the "N" word.

Are you implying that Zion Mom doesn't understand Jewish culture? It reads that way.

3 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:45:30am

re: #1 Destro

Of course Bob Levin, gives me a minus sign for some unknown reason only his mind can fathom...

4 Bob Levin  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:47:37am

re: #3 Destro

I just told you. Your comment is implying that she doesn't understand Jewish culture. R.e.a.d.

5 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:48:22am

R.e.a.d.

re: #2 Bob Levin

[Link: english.stackexchange.com...]

How did “Jew” become pejorative?

For some reason, the word Jew often carries a pejorative or offensive connotation, which the related adjective Jewish does not carry. This is most obvious when either word is used as an attributive:

The story was all over the Jewish media. [Not offensive; a factual statement about a story that was reported in Jewish-oriented media sources.]
The story was all over the Jew media. [Very offensive; "Jew media" is likely interpreted as a reference to the mainstream media, with the implication that they're controlled nefariously by the Jews.]

When used in a predicate, the same thing applies, though the differentiation is less sharp:

Joel Spolsky is Jewish. [Not offensive]

Joel Spolsky is a Jew. [Potentially offensive]

Note that any of the above could be offensive or derogatory in the right context, but the versions using "Jew" are much more likely to be interpreted that way.

The distinction seems to go away when we use either word for the subject of the sentence.

Six Jewish children are in my classroom. [Not offensive]

Six Jews are in my classroom. [Not offensive]

6 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:49:24am

re: #4 Bob Levin

In Hip=Hop culture the N word is not offensive. So if Jewish people use the J word that way it is no offensive? And by the way, you did not explain a thing - your answer amounts to "because I say so".

7 Bob Levin  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:52:09am

re: #6 Destro

Why don't you just ask your Jewish friends instead of googling it or heading to Wikipedia?

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 6:57:38am

"Scary Jew Shadow" is a recurring meme at my blog showing how media photo streams consistently portray Orthodox Jews in menacing silhouettes even in totally normal, everyday situations. I already explained this in previous SJS threads. Destro must have short term memory issues.

9 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:09:18am

re: #8 Learned Mother of Zion

I did not know backlighting was an epidemic or scary.

Hey, look a backlit kid at the beach!! Run!!!!!

How is this scary?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

10 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:12:09am

re: #7 Bob Levin

Why don't you just ask your Jewish friends instead of googling it or heading to Wikipedia?

[Link: english.stackexchange.com...]

This is a free, community driven Q&A for linguists, etymologists, and serious English language enthusiasts. It is a part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&A websites, and it was created through the open democratic process defined at Stack Exchange Area 51.

11 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:18:32am

re: #9 Destro

I did not know backlighting was an epidemic or scary.

Hey, look a backlit kid at the beach!! Run!!!!!

How is this scary?

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Orthodox Jews are disproportionately portrayed in silhouette in comparison to other subjects.

Browse the Daylife photo stream for Ramadan and tell me how many Muslim shadows you find.

12 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:20:51am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

You mean like this?

[Link: wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com...]

or like this?

[Link: image.shutterstock.com...]

13 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:24:11am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

PS: As an amateur photographer I like taking silhouette & B&W pictures (I recently scored an old Leica camera and I am working on learning how to use it). This is the first time I have ever heard silhouette considered 'menacing or scary'.

14 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:27:16am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

Orthodox Jews are disproportionately portrayed in silhouette in comparison to other subjects.

Browse the Daylife photo stream for Ramadan and tell me how many Muslim shadows you find.

Another Muslim silhouetted (and still not scary)

[Link: www.flixya.com...]

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:28:59am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

Orthodox Jews are disproportionately portrayed in silhouette in comparison to other subjects.

Browse the Daylife photo stream for Ramadan and tell me how many Muslim shadows you find.

Might be related to the German films of the '30s. They applied an expressionist use of shadows to depict menacing Jews (and vampires).

16 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:29:27am

re: #11 Learned Mother of Zion

Orthodox Jews are disproportionately portrayed in silhouette in comparison to other subjects.

Browse the Daylife photo stream for Ramadan and tell me how many Muslim shadows you find.

Here is a picture of a Christian in prayer or do you see a zombie attack?

[Link: churcharise.net...]

17 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:30:01am

re: #14 Destro

Another Muslim silhouetted (and still not scary)

[Link: www.flixya.com...]

I do not use Google images or Flickr. Of course you can find anything you want on Google image search, the purpose of this feature is to monitor the news service photo streams.

18 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:30:37am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Here:

19 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:32:13am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Might be related to the German films of the '30s. They applied an expressionist use of shadows to depict menacing Jews (and vampires).

Different genres stills vs moving images. Different visual languages.

20 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:34:26am

re: #17 Learned Mother of Zion

I do not use Google images or Flickr. Of course you can find anything you want on Google image search, the purpose of this feature is to monitor the news service photo streams.

So wait, you actually think there is some sort of news agenda going on here by news organizations on a subliminal level? So you are not trying to be glib but actually think there is a conspiracy?

21 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:38:21am

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Here:

[Embedded content]

or here:

Romantic piano music - Romance in Silhouette (original composition) - unless you find romance scary or menacing......

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:45:54am

re: #20 Destro

So wait, you actually think there is some sort of news agenda going on here by news organizations on a subliminal level? So you are not trying to be glib but actually think there is a conspiracy?

I am being glib.

But just for grins, why don't you count the number of backlit silhouettes on Daylife photo stream for the entire month of Ramadan and compare it to the backlit silhouettes for one single Jewish event last week.

23 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 7:51:15am

re: #21 Destro

or here:

Romantic piano music - Romance in Silhouette (original composition) - unless you find romance scary or menacing......

[Embedded content]

[Link: thevaultofhorror.blogspot.com...]

24 Destro  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:02:48am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

I am being glib.

But just for grins, why don't you count the number of backlit silhouettes on Daylife photo stream for the entire month of Ramadan and compare it to the backlit silhouettes for one single Jewish event last week.

So you are being glib but you are not? I don't see a conspiracy by the photo-journalism world to make Jewish people look scary.

The reason I am kind of uptight about this is that I recall so many on the right with their 'war on Christmas' memes when there was no such thing and I am trying to make people avoid the thinking they see persecution when non exists.

25 Bob Levin  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 8:20:38am

I don't want to make a big deal of this, that is, I don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past--but...

I went to the English Stack Exchange, and entered, 'why a duck?' This is what came back.

Let's just say the site lacks nuance. Here is the correct answer to the question.

26 researchok  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:17:29pm

re: #24 Destro

No, we know the real reason you are upset.

If you were less obvious, you'd be more credible.

27 jaunte  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:28:36pm

re: #1 Destro

The term "Jew" used like this is offensive (as opposed to the non offensive "Jewish shadow"). It is like saying the "N" word.

I don't think so.
[Link: blogs.forward.com...]
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28 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:28:55pm

re: #6 Destro

In Hip=Hop culture the N word is not offensive. So if Jewish people use the J word that way it is no offensive? And by the way, you did not explain a thing - your answer amounts to "because I say so".

This notion of yours that "Jew" equates to the N word--a word, please note, so loaded that neither of us will type it--is strained to breaking.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:30:32pm

re: #20 Destro

So wait, you actually think there is some sort of news agenda going on here by news organizations on a subliminal level? So you are not trying to be glib but actually think there is a conspiracy?

I realize that the idea that racial and ethnic issues might be reflected in media representation is entirely radical and out there...

30 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 12:57:09pm

*blinking* What the...never mind.

While shadows & silhouettes can be used to add drama or interest in an artistic, non-scary way, they are just as often intended to be scary. Case in point, the Swiss anti-minaret posters. Not only do they represent something threateningly dark & obscure, but they also represent the black sheep, The Other.

The same could be said of The Shadow, who dealt with the scary unknown/other: "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!"

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:00:31pm

Yeah! Here's my castle turret bucket, SJS! I'd loan you the shovel, but we broke it. (So sorry.)

Although, actually, I'm a bit concerned that if the beach is only for men, there might be some boys getting sunburned because their moms aren't there to remember the sunscreen.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:29:42pm

re: #31 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yeah! Here's my castle turret bucket, SJS! I'd loan you the shovel, but we broke it. (So sorry.)

Although, actually, I'm a bit concerned that if the beach is only for men, there might be some boys getting sunburned because their moms aren't there to remember the sunscreen.

Frum dads are actually pretty good at such things, since it's expected that they'll be at various all-male settings with their sons, and they seem, from what I see, to do at least as much kid-wrangling as their frei counterparts. With more kids. At community events, I'll often see a black-hatted young man wandering along with three or four small children in tow, handling ice-cream buying and bathroom breaks with great aplomb.

33 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 7, 2012 1:43:19pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Frum dads are actually pretty good at such things, since it's expected that they'll be at various all-male settings with their sons, and they seem, from what I see, to do at least as much kid-wrangling as their frei counterparts. With more kids. At community events, I'll often see a black-hatted young man wandering along with three or four small children in tow, handling ice-cream buying and bathroom breaks with great aplomb.

Ah, so they get on-the-job training. That's good.


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