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1 researchok  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:08:18am

Great catch.

TY

2 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:26:45am
“‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.

Leviticus 19:27-28

When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34

3 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 4:09:42pm

I first saw this "letter" on Usenet over 10 years ago, so it's been hanging out on Teh Intertubes since like forever.

This "letter" which is a pretty good example of what is known as a "Straw Man Argument". This is when the person making the argument co-opts his opponent's position and then proceeds to argue against that position, even if his opponent does not hold that position.

Firstly, no one who believes in scripture, not Orthodox Jews and not evangelical Christians, performs any of the scriptural segments quoted here in the way they are described. The Straw Man is then, "Well, you're not doing it right!" Who decides what is "doing it right," people who have been following the Scriptures for thousands of years, or somebody who picks out random verses (the more horrible the better) and then decides that "doing it right" means actually performing what it says literally word for word.

The Christian rebuttal to this straw man "letter" might be, "Well, Jesus abolished those laws." I can't speak for how Christians should respond to this "letter" because I am not one but that seems to be what they would answer.

Jews have what is called Torah Shel Ba'al Peh, which means the Oral Law, and it's the "User's Manual" to the Hebrew scriptures. The tradition is that the Oral Law was given to Moses at the same time as the Torah and contains all the interpretations and the instructions of how to perform the commandments given in Scripture. The Oral Law has been written down in subsequent generations and is contained in the Midrash, the Mishnah, the Talmud and all the commentaries that have been written about it for the past 2,000 years.

Short explanation, we don't follow scripture literally word for word, never have. The death penalty can only be handed down by a Sanhedrin of 72 elders, under such extremely constrained circumstances such that it was virtually impossible to convict unless a person had committed a particularly brutal and egregious crime in public in front of witnesses. Even if someone committed the Aurora massacre, they could still not be convicted if they did not receive "hasra'ah" (warning) from at least two separate witnesses, kind of like a biblical "Miranda rights."

Anyway, the purpose of this "letter," whoever wrote it and signed another person's name, was only to ridicule and mock, not to ask any sincere questions about how these segments of scripture are supposed to be interpreted.


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