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1 researchok  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 11:56:00am

The slippery slope argument is real and jut academic.

It is the open endednesss and lack of popular concern that bothers me most.

2 Destro  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 12:34:31pm

re: #1 researchok

The slippery slope argument is real and jut academic.

It is the open endednesss and lack of popular concern that bothers me most.

I have been stopped several times on the Subway by cops since I returned to New York even though I am not Arab or Muslim. Must be because cops like my swarthy good looks and hooked nose.

3 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 12:55:59pm

Police and photographers learned a lot about photography in public spaces. Unfortunately, the police ignore the lessons and the court rulings. But hey, no matter the taxpayer always pays the settlement!
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4 Three Chord Monty  Thu, Aug 9, 2012 2:40:09pm

I seem to remember an edict some time after 9/11 that said no photography on the subway. Mixed feelings; at the time, the threat seemed real.

A couple of years later, I took the PATH over to Hoboken from WTC. On the way back, I noticed that I could see the building where I live from the entrance to the 'bathtub.' I couldn't get my camera out while still on the train, but tried to grab a shot once on the platform. No go, I was told to put it away. Okay, that's Ground Zero.

There are some stations where I'd love to get a shot--there's an interesting piece of art, of the 14th St. downtown 6 platform that, last I saw, was in the entrance to the uptown C train at Spring St. I'd like to compare the two--but I don't really want to have to deal with the police, who have this nice big office there at Union Sq. There are a couple of other stations that are particularly interesting--the F train at York St., and the 1 at 168th...but I haven't done it. It's not that I wouldn't want to argue the point with the police, more that I'm disabled & any unnecessary hassle is kind of a big deal. So I'm among the apathetic on that score.

But not by choice.

5 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 10, 2012 3:03:48pm

It's one thing to ban photography in certain areas. That's at least a clean-cut rule. But to put out the notion that taking pictures in public, just about anywhere, at any old time, is suspicious?

Do the authorities see what this says? It says that Emmanuel Goldman is an ever-present threat, and that the good citizens of Oceania must report anything suspicious.

It should be kept in mind that today's video equipment can record from devices that look like anything or nothing, that weigh little and are easily concealed. Add that to GoogleEarth, and you have a society in which nothing that can be seen from a public place can be kept even a little bit secret. There is no security benefit from banning overt photography, unless it be the security benefit of providing enough false positives to the general public to sustain a heightened (if misplaced) vigilance.

6 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 10, 2012 3:12:21pm

re: #4 Three Chord Monty

So why not just walk up to the cops and ask them if it's okay? I would, and I'm Muslim. The worst thing that can happen is they say, "No." I mean, I don't see them arresting someone and hauling them away just for asking.


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