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1 researchok  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 4:53:53pm

A single comment??

LOLOLOL

I'd have a field day if single Kos or DU comments might be used to come to a conclusion!

I recall the single comment you made about hating America. And there are others.

Hmmmm

You make me laugh

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 5:19:51pm

re: #1 researchok

A single comment??

LOLOLOL

I'd have a field day if single Kos or DU comments might be used to come to a conclusion!

I recall the single comment you made about hating America. And there are others.

Hmmmm

You make me laugh

Destro hates conservatism, and will ascribe to it whatever negatives he can. He's not going to let facts get in the way of him venting his spleen.

3 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 7:55:17pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

conservatism is here to be made fun of.

4 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 7:58:07pm

re: #1 researchok

A single comment??

LOLOLOL

I'd have a field day if single Kos or DU comments might be used to come to a conclusion!

I recall the single comment you made about hating America. And there are others.

Hmmmm

You make me laugh

I am pretty sure I don't hate America. Right wing Americans are another thing.

5 researchok  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 8:03:23pm

re: #4 Destro

Awwww... you don't remember?

LOLOL

You really are a piece of work.

Poseur.

6 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 8:09:59pm

re: #5 researchok

Awwww... you don't remember?

LOLOL

You really are a piece of work.

Poseur.

Most conservatives claim they are not racists but most racists claim they are conservatives. Are you a conservative?

7 researchok  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 8:16:28pm

re: #6 Destro

LOLOL- hasn't anyone sent you the memo?

Pivot and attack doesn't work anymore.

But I do enjoy the entertainment.

Most critics of Israel claim they are not bigots. Do you support Hamas and/or the PA?

And to be clear, I do not believe you are a real anti semite.

You have other, more serious pathological issues.

In any event, do you support Hamas or the PA? Consider your past comments before you answer.

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 8:48:45pm

re: #6 Destro

Standard Destro: Attack, attack, and don't look back.

9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 9:47:56pm

To be fair what Destro is talking about might not be too far off base. When I talk to conservatives about successful social programs in Europe I get a fairly limited set of responses. Some will try to deny the programs are actually successful or to spin it as some sort of economic special case. But a disturbingly high number will say something about culture - and if drilled down often is based on some sort of racial or nationalistic bias.

However it is a fair point that a single comment is not sufficient evidence for the Destro's thesis. At the very least back it up with multiple comments to try and show a pattern.

10 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:10:38pm

re: #9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

To be fair what Destro is talking about might not be too far off base. When I talk to conservatives about successful social programs in Europe I get a fairly limited set of responses. Some will try to deny the programs are actually successful or to spin it as some sort of economic special case. But a disturbingly high number will say something about culture - and if drilled down often is based on some sort of racial or nationalistic bias.

However it is a fair point that a single comment is not sufficient evidence for the Destro's thesis. At the very least back it up with multiple comments to try and show a pattern.

Actually I have done so when I was on another forum. I will find it.

11 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:17:54pm

re: #9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

To be fair what Destro is talking about might not be too far off base. When I talk to conservatives about successful social programs in Europe I get a fairly limited set of responses. Some will try to deny the programs are actually successful or to spin it as some sort of economic special case. But a disturbingly high number will say something about culture - and if drilled down often is based on some sort of racial or nationalistic bias.

However it is a fair point that a single comment is not sufficient evidence for the Destro's thesis. At the very least back it up with multiple comments to try and show a pattern.

re: #9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

To be fair what Destro is talking about might not be too far off base. When I talk to conservatives about successful social programs in Europe I get a fairly limited set of responses. Some will try to deny the programs are actually successful or to spin it as some sort of economic special case. But a disturbingly high number will say something about culture - and if drilled down often is based on some sort of racial or nationalistic bias.

However it is a fair point that a single comment is not sufficient evidence for the Destro's thesis. At the very least back it up with multiple comments to try and show a pattern.

Found my post:

[Link: www.the-peoples-forum.com...]

Many Republican-Conservative Small Government Positions Since Nixon Are Really Veiled Racist Policies

To prove this thesis some more I went to LibertyPost because I figured the posters on there were too stupid to hide their racism behind "code words" effectively.

And I was right. Here is an example of a LP poster being against the Federal govt building high speed rails, standard abstract from the conservative right wing would be that the govt should let the private sector build it and other such arguments. But the LPers are not that smart and they think no one is watching them so the truth slips out:

Mass transportation only makes sense in densely populated urban areas. Working-class and middle-class Whites, the people that make the money, moved out of cities to get away from the pathologies of Blacks and Mexicans. The last thing they want is to be jammed in on a train or bus with loudmouthed, uncouth Blacks & Mexicans at 7:00 in the morning. Current mass transit systems in all major cities consistently lose money and are subsidized heavily by State, i.e., White taxpayers.

OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2011-01-21 9:19:32 ET @ [Link: www.libertypost.org...]

So here we have an argument against govt subsidizing mass transit which is a sensible policy done in every country on the planet for the greater good of the people and what the right in America would call "socialism".

But for the post Nixon Southern Strategy conservative the reason to hate this govt subsidy is that it's a transfer of money from "whites" to "coloreds" and thus bad. In polite company or when they have their guard up they will tell you they are against higher taxes and wanting the private sector to do these sort of things but when their guard is down amongst their own kind the real racist reason comes out for their positions.

Again, anecdotal and I know it is not 'statistically' relevant sample in this post. But I will plug away and as I find more of my old posts where I cut and pasted lots of examples from conservative forums where when I pressed them they admitted they think Socialism would probably work and maybe even a good idea in some limited cases but would not work in America because of "minority issues".

All are welcome to add examples they run across as well.

12 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:44:40pm

re: #7 researchok

LOLOL- hasn't anyone sent you the memo?

Pivot and attack doesn't work anymore.

But I do enjoy the entertainment.

Most critics of Israel claim they are not bigots. Do you support Hamas and/or the PA?

And to be clear, I do not believe you are a real anti semite.

You have other, more serious pathological issues.

In any event, do you support Hamas or the PA? Consider your past comments before you answer.

How did this conversation turn to Hamas? I despise religous political parties be they Christian, Jewish or Muslim but the Palestinian people should get a homeland out of the West Bank and Gaza and I hope they vote for secular left wing parties.

You done with stupid questions or was that a brilliant question by American conservative standards?

13 Destro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:50:15pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Standard Destro: Attack, attack, and don't look back.

I fight fire with fire.

Scott Reed, who ran Robert J. Dole's presidential campaign that year, said the Bush campaign has little choice but to deliver a constant stream of such negative charges. With low poll numbers and a volatile situation in Iraq, Bush has more hope of tarnishing Kerry's image than promoting his own.

"The Bush campaign is faced with the hard, true fact that they have to keep their boot on his neck and define him on their terms," Reed said. That might risk alienating some moderate voters or depressing turnout, "but they don't have a choice," he said.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

14 researchok  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 4:34:47am

re: #12 Destro

LOLOL- how did the conversation turn to Hamas? How did the conversation turn away from a single comment as a predicate for excoriating a whole group of people, to a single comment you made about hating America?

Further, in supporting the ideals of Hamas and the PA, you are supporting the agenda of bigots, racists and religious ideologues you claim to hate so much (which is pretty funny- you know what I mean). It's kind of like your saying, "I hate the KKK but I really support their cause", Or "Look at me, I just said I hate bigotry and that ought to be enough or you. Now, let me tell you why I support any party that embraces racism and bigotry".

You make it sound as if some left left leaning regimes and political parties have never embraced bigotry and racism! Being a lefty does not automatically give you a pass- your words and actions have to support your morality- and in your case you have made clear exactly who you are.

Words are not enough. Most lefties in here are very different from you. They are moral and ethical people. They are far more honest than you on many, many levels. I know this firsthand to be true. I may disagree with them and they with I, but they never tar and feather entire groups of people to satisfy their own ideological argument. I have before and will continue to defend people who i might disagree with if I believed they have been unfairly attacked. That idea is totally foreign to you. Exploiting every opportunity for self aggrandizement is how you find identity. Healthy people find their identity through moral and ethical behavior, irrespective of their beliefs. That too is another idea (culturally) foreign to you.

For you, supporting the cause outweighs everything, even a stated genocidal intent. You only 'clarify' when called out.I have to admit I laughed when you tried once more tried to direct the conversation away from what was being discussed. You are nothing if not predictable.

One of the symptoms that gives you away as a someone with a PD (or possible BPD) is your need to have the last word and the need to be smarter than anyone who might question or challenge you.

It may not be relevant, germane or even coherent, but you have to the last word. In your mind that somehow legitimizes your view no matter how uninformed or inappropriate (your recent remarks re terror victims was astonishing in it's callousness. A healthy person would have said, 'I'm sorry that happened- that is a terrible tragedy'). You could have gone on to make your point but your lack of decency and empathy really isn't surprising. In your mind, blaming the victim is perfectly acceptable and make sure to exploit an opportunity to serve your own needs.

It is quite interesting to see you constantly 'move the goalposts' or attempt to change the subject when confronted with someone who makes a more cogent argument. A healthy person would say, 'I didn't know that, I need to think about that' or 'I was wrong. I stand corrected'. You are emotionally incapable of doing that. You may make a show of doing that every now and then (the emphasis on a very public show of false humility) but you don't talk to people- you talk down to or at them.

And I haven't even touched the control issues that are so clearly a part of your personas.

I have no doubt you will not address the issues I have raised in previous comments but instead will find away to redefine the conversation and/or attack me- which will only prove my point.

Sometimes it is just better to move on. You'll figure that out someday- though that is unlikely in the near future.

In the meantime, it is fascinating to watch.

And, I will give you the last word now.

You'll feel so much better.

15 researchok  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 4:49:52am

By the way Destro, thank you for the link to the People's Forum.

Interesting folks you hang out with. Lots of good quotes.

Know what I mean?

Sure you do.

16 Destro  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 5:35:24am

re: #14 researchok

as a predicate for excoriating a whole group of people, to a single comment you made about hating America?

A political ideology now defines a people? And where did I say I hated America. I might have. There are lots of things to hate about America these days - but I am pretty sure I don't make blanket statements.

What is it with so called conservatives thinking they are the true patriots and throwing out loyalty oaths or tests like you did?

Like I said, most conservatives claim they are not racists but most racists claim they are conservatives.

The conservatives and their insane ideology nearly destroyed the world economy and tore America apart and are still trying to. You get no pass from me.

17 Destro  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 5:38:00am

re: #15 researchok

By the way Destro, thank you for the link to the People's Forum.

Interesting folks you hang out with. Lots of good quotes.

Know what I mean?

Sure you do.

By me or others? Are all Republicans this creepy tthese days?

Here is my entire posting history on there. Have at it, GOPEr.


[Link: the-peoples-forum.com...]

18 Destro  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:13:56am

re: #9 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

To be fair what Destro is talking about might not be too far off base. When I talk to conservatives about successful social programs in Europe I get a fairly limited set of responses. Some will try to deny the programs are actually successful or to spin it as some sort of economic special case. But a disturbingly high number will say something about culture - and if drilled down often is based on some sort of racial or nationalistic bias.

However it is a fair point that a single comment is not sufficient evidence for the Destro's thesis. At the very least back it up with multiple comments to try and show a pattern.

More evidence that right wingers would go socialist if not for their racism:

And this is from April 2012, it's a whole article posted and then comments follow. Yes, that's right, socialist Sweden is being praised on Freerepublic and if only we had an all white country to live like that is the lament:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Time to Follow Sweden’s Lead on Fiscal Policy

It is important to remember who the Swedes are before you try to follow in their fiscal footsteps. Despite horrors like Malmo, they are mostly ethnically and racially homogeneous. That makes things a bit easier for their “third way” and for reforming it, than they are here.

3 posted on April 16, 2012 1:50:57 PM EDT by Little Ray

As I look I will find more examples.

19 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:57:09am

re: #18 Destro

More evidence that right wingers would go socialist if not for their racism:

And this is from April 2012, it's a whole article posted and then comments follow. Yes, that's right, socialist Sweden is being praised on Freerepublic and if only we had an all white country to live like that is the lament:

As I look I will find more examples.

That particular post is praising Sweden's free market reforms, not socialism.

20 Destro  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:05:57am

re: #19 KingKenrod

That particular post is praising Sweden's free market reforms, not socialism.

The issue was the comment that followed. Of course Sweden is socialist by GOP standards even with all those so called 'free market reforms' but the comment that followed it the one to pay attention to:

t is important to remember who the Swedes are before you try to follow in their fiscal footsteps. Despite horrors like Malmo, they are mostly ethnically and racially homogeneous. That makes things a bit easier for their “third way” and for reforming it, than they are here.

3 posted on April 16, 2012 1:50:57 PM EDT by Little Ray

Right away, we have a comment saying we can't follow Sweden's examples because in America we are not "ethnically and racially homogeneous".

21 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:54:42am

re: #20 Destro

The issue was the comment that followed. Of course Sweden is socialist by GOP standards even with all those so called 'free market reforms' but the comment that followed it the one to pay attention to:

Right away, we have a comment saying we can't follow Sweden's examples because in America we are not "ethnically and racially homogeneous".

Yes, but that has nothing to do with conservatives secretly pining for socialism if it weren't for all the black people.

22 Destro  Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:52:57am

re: #21 KingKenrod

Yes, but that has nothing to do with conservatives secretly pining for socialism if it weren't for all the black people.

The title is to mock the right wing. They claim socialism would work (and in some cases it would be welcomed) but would not work in the USA because of minorities and it works in say Sweden because they are "ethnically and racially homogeneous".

Maybe I should change my title to:

Conservatives would be OK with socialism if not for all those black people

or


Conservatives admit socialism would work in America if not for all those black people

Or variations of the same.


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