Ecuador grants Wikileaks founder asylum

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Ecuador has granted asylum to Wikileaks founder Julian Assange two months after he took refuge in its London embassy while fighting extradition from the UK.

It said there were fears Mr Assange’s human rights might be violated.

Foreign minister Ricardo Patino accused the UK of making an “open threat” to enter its embassy to arrest him.

Mr Assange took refuge at the embassy in June to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he faces questioning over assault and rape claims, which he denies.

The Foreign Office said the decision on Mr Assange’s application for political asylum would not affect the UK’s legal obligation to extradite him to Sweden.

It tweeted: “We remain committed to a negotiated solution that allows us to carry out our obligations under the Extradition Act.”

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Dr Lizardo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:32:47am

And so now begins, presumably, a diplomatic standoff between the Brits and the Ecuadorians. We shall see how things turn out.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:57:14am

re: #1 Dr Lizardo

And so now begins, presumably, a diplomatic standoff between the Brits and the Ecuadorians. We shall see how things turn out.

Assange I think said he would go to Sweden to be questioned (he has not been charged) as long as Sweden promises not to extradite Assange to the USA where he would be subject to human rights violations including execution.

Romantic Heretic Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:24:59am

I suspect Ecuador is giving Britain a great big 'Fuck you!' for their threat to invade their embassy.

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:40:49am

re: #2 Destro

There is absolutely no human rights violation in executing a spymaster. The only reason it didn't happen--repeatedly--in the Cold War is that the people running their spies were in under diplomatic cover and would be recalled if they were burned.

Julian Assange is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of US assets in Afghanistan and Iraq and will soon become responsible for the death of the only hope Zimbabwe had to be pulled out of the abyss it'll remain in as long as it remains "For Blacks only, and we'll steal everything from everybody who has even one ancestor not born in Africa going back as far as 1700".

I only wish he could be publicly tried and hanged as the spyrunner he is rather than simply disappearing into Gitmo as an enemy combatant, which is the most likely way he'll be treated.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:47:22am

re: #4 Chrysicat

There is absolutely no human rights violation in executing a spymaster. The only reason it didn't happen--repeatedly--in the Cold War is that the people running their spies were in under diplomatic cover and would be recalled if they were burned.

Julian Assange is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of US assets in Afghanistan and Iraq and will soon become responsible for the death of the only hope Zimbabwe had to be pulled out of the abyss it'll remain in as long as it remains "For Blacks only, and we'll steal everything from everybody who has even one ancestor not born in Africa going back as far as 1700".

I only wish he could be publicly tried and hanged as the spyrunner he is rather than simply disappearing into Gitmo as an enemy combatant, which is the most likely way he'll be treated.

Assange is a spy how? Was he in the USA when he spied? And your pathology and racism is dually noted which is why Assange is correct to prevent his extradition to a country where people like you call for the death of journalists because they expose govt secrets. At least you are not as demented as other conservatives who called Assange a 'traitor" - Assange of course is not a traitor because he is an Australian citizen not an American citizen. Maybe FOX newscasters assume the whole English speaking world belongs to America,,,,,,,

Senator Lieberman Doesn't 'Understand' Why The Department Of Justice Hasn't Charged Assange With Treason (because Lieberman is an idiot)

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Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:53:02am

re: #5 Destro

Assange didn't just 'accept Manning's documents and publish those secrets'; he paid for them and actively encouraged him to steal more.

THAT'S espionage, not journalism. He can't be a traitor, because he owed no allegiance to the US, but he sure as hell can be a spyrunner and he is. That's still illegal, and you better believe the US would bring in any person who did it and then was stupid enough to get themself arrested in a country allied to the US.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:06:20am

re: #6 Chrysicat

Assange didn't just 'accept Manning's documents and publish those secrets'; he paid for them and actively encouraged him to steal more.

THAT'S espionage, not journalism. He can't be a traitor, because he owed no allegiance to the US, but he sure as hell can be a spyrunner and he is. That's still illegal, and you better believe the US would bring in any person who did it and then was stupid enough to get themself arrested in a country allied to the US.

It may be illegal in the USA. It is not illegal anywhere else to look at American secrets. And by the why, I don't know if Manning was the source of the leaks or not but if he was he is a hero to me and I hope more heroes like him expose the govt's murderous secrets and war crimes.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:11:40am

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Dr Lizardo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:31:18am

re: #2 Destro

That's my understanding of it as well. However, in this instance, Sweden has declined to guarantee that it would not extradite Mr. Assange to the USA.

It will be highly interesting to see how this plays out. My father always told me that a nation's embassy is essentially sovereign territory, and breaching that essentially constitutes an act of war. Of course, I don't know the various finer points of international law and diplomacy in regard to that, so I can't confirm with 100% certainty that what my father believed is absolutely true.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 8:42:21am

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

That's my understanding of it as well. However, in this instance, Sweden has declined to guarantee that it would not extradite Mr. Assange to the USA.

It will be highly interesting to see how this plays out. My father always told me that a nation's embassy is essentially sovereign territory, and breaching that essentially constitutes an act of war. Of course, I don't know the various finer points of international law and diplomacy in regard to that, so I can't confirm with 100% certainty that what my father believed is absolutely true.

The difference is powerful countries get to violate the embassy doctrine all the time because who could retaliate against them?

The fact that Sweden A) Has not charged Assange with a crime (they just want to question him over the charges) and B) Sweden declined to guarantee that it would not extradite Mr. Assange to the USA means Assange is right to suspect an American orchestrated set up to get him to the USA for GITMO treatment and or execution.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:10:17am

re: #5 Destro

Assange is a spy how? Was he in the USA when he spied? And your pathology and racism is dually noted which is why Assange is correct to prevent his extradition to a country where people like you call for the death of journalists because they expose govt secrets. At least you are not as demented as other conservatives who called Assange a 'traitor" - Assange of course is not a traitor because he is an Australian citizen not an American citizen. Maybe FOX newscasters assume the whole English speaking world belongs to America,,,,,,,

WOW, Chrysicat is a racist?

Assange is a maniac who has hurt his own cause. Not unlike you, I might add.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:31:08am

re: #3 Romantic Heretic

I suspect Ecuador is giving Britain a great big 'Fuck you!' for their threat to invade their embassy.

Do they have other motivations? Why make this their problem?

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:31:24am

re: #11 dragonath

I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I think that he's saying that because I'm not 100% behind disposessing any Zimbabwean with any white heritage, I'm anti-black and think that no black person anywhere can do anything right. I chat with plenty of people like that in an IRC chan, but...yeah...

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:41:52am

re: #11 dragonath

WOW, Chrysicat is a racist?

Assange is a maniac who has hurt his own cause. Not unlike you, I might add.

Yea, what's with his racist Zimbabwe rant: Julian Assange...will soon become responsible for the death of the only hope Zimbabwe had to be pulled out of the abyss it'll remain in as long as it remains "For Blacks only, and we'll steal everything from everybody who has even one ancestor not born in Africa going back as far as 1700".

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:44:54am

re: #14 Destro

HER, thank you...

Gus Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:46:26am

re: #2 Destro

Assange I think said he would go to Sweden to be questioned (he has not been charged) as long as Sweden promises not to extradite Assange to the USA where he would be subject to human rights violations including execution.

What the heck is this? Prisonplanet? Give me a fucking break.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:47:04am

re: #13 Chrysicat

I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I think that he's saying that because I'm not 100% behind disposessing any Zimbabwean with any white heritage, I'm anti-black and think that no black person anywhere can do anything right. I chat with plenty of people like that in an IRC chan, but...yeah...

Well at least you did not call Zimbabwe "Rhodesia". Those "lekker" times for you are long gone. Colonialism is dead.

Gus Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:50:00am

#assange US death penalty threat a complete red herring: Sweden would never extradite anyone threatned with capital punishment
— glenoglazaSky (@glenoglazaSky) August 16, 2012

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:50:02am

re: #16 Gus

What the heck is this? Prisonplanet? Give me a fucking break.

That is what Assage asserts. You can deny that will happen? Who trusts the US State Dept with our secret prisons?

Assange 'risks death penalty' if extradited

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Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange say he could face the death penalty if he is extradited to the US.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:51:02am

re: #18 Gus

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The USA could charge Assange with a deth penalty offense after extradition.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 9:57:36am

re: #18 Gus

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video

Glenn Greenwald Comments on Julian Assange Extradition Case, Campaign to Target WikiLeaks

Democracy Now! interviews constitutional law attorney and legal blogger Glenn Greenwald about the Assange case; allegations of U.S. army torture against alleged whistleblower Bradley Manning; and a recently disclosed plot by three private intelligence firms to target WikiLeaks and its supporters, including Greenwald who has publicly defended the organization.

Gus Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:00:05am

re: #21 Destro

[Embedded content]

Glenn Greenwald Comments on Julian Assange Extradition Case, Campaign to Target WikiLeaks

Democracy Now! interviews constitutional law attorney and legal blogger Glenn Greenwald about the Assange case; allegations of U.S. army torture against alleged whistleblower Bradley Manning; and a recently disclosed plot by three private intelligence firms to target WikiLeaks and its supporters, including Greenwald who has publicly defended the organization.

Sorry. I refuse to listen to another turd, Glenn Greenwald, former attorney to a white supremacist and CATO institute speaker. Bradley Manning is another turd that broke the law and Democracy Now! Let me think about them for a minute. Oh yeah. Shrill.

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:02:36am

re: #20 Destro

Why kill him? Far better to stick him in a cell at supermax and let him rot. He can be Ted Kaczynski's bestest buddy. Meanwhile the world will forget he exists and that's a worse punishment to an egotistical slime like him.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:03:17am

No safe passage for Assange: Hague

Julian Assange will not be allowed safe passage out of the United Kingdom, Foreign Secretary William Hague has declared as he warned that diplomatic immunity should not be used to harbour alleged criminals.

Mr Hague said it was a "matter of regret" that the Ecuadorian government decided to grant the Wikileaks founder political asylum but warned that it "does not change the fundamentals" of the case.

Speaking at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, he also warned that the case could go on for some "considerable" time. Mr Hague said: "We will not allow Mr Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so."

I guess that means the only way out for that little rat is to tunnel his way out.

Targetpractice Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:04:49am

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

No safe passage for Assange: Hague

I guess that means the only way out for that little rat is to tunnel his way out.

It's that or Ecuador goes to war with Britain. I'm pretty sure they've lost this round.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:09:58am

re: #14 Destro

Yea, what's with his racist Zimbabwe rant

Mugabe is a despot, and a total asshole. The violent expropriation of land and dispossesion of whites in that country is well documented. Gay citizens are beaten and homosexual acts are criminalized. Opposition parties are routinely harrassed.

And from Amnesty International:

Human rights defenders continued to face arbitrary arrests, unlawful detention, politically motivated charges, and even torture in police custody.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:13:53am

re: #26 dragonath

Mugabe is a despot, and a total asshole. The violent expropriation of land and dispossesion of whites in that country is well documented. Gay citizens are beaten and homosexual acts are criminalized. Opposition parties are routinely harrassed.

And from Amnesty International:

Yes, Mugabe is a tyrant (that was knighted by the Queen no less) but the white settlers who disposed the native Zimbabweans are not the solution either. Rhodesia's tyranny helped set up the Mugabe tyranny just like the Czar's tyranny helped set up Stalin's. But I always find it odd that out of nowhere he inserted a rant about Zimbabwe - what does that have to do with Assange? Must be deep in his mind to go off topic like that.

Targetpractice Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:15:21am

Assange is pretty much at a dead end. He's exhausted his legal means of avoiding extradition, and the only way he's leaving that embassy is in cuffs. So either Ecuador better prepare for his long-term stay there or make peace with the reality that they can't protect him. They'd be better off saving themselves further embarrassment and just tossing him out the front door.

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:23:31am

re: #27 Destro

OH, FUCK YOU! Chrysi. Cat. Female. Furry--why don't you hate me for that instead of imagined racism?

And as for what Zimbabwe has to do with Assange, part of the Manning Leaks was info that Tsangvirai had been talking with Americans interested in imposing sanctions on the country. Right now Mugabe's letting him twist in the wind about it, but everyone knows eventually he'll use it as an excuse to remove him and charge him with treason.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:24:11am

re: #25 Targetpractice

It's that or Ecuador goes to war with Britain. I'm pretty sure they've lost this round.

Military of Ecuador

Army: Size 24,135 active[1]
~130 Tanks
~200 IFV's
~60 aircraft

Air Force: Size 7,258
~80 aircraft

Navy: Size 7,258[1]
2 frigates
6 corvettes
2 submarines
3 fast attack craft
8 Auxiliary ship

British Armed Forces

British Army: Size 138,500 Regular and Territorial
121,800 Regular Reserve

Royal Navy: Size 97 ships including RFA
170 aircraft of the FAA

Royal Air Force: Size 827 aircraft[1]
41,330 Regular personnel
1,500 Royal Auxiliary Air Force
33,400 Regular reserves

Just a little bit in the UK's favor.

Targetpractice Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:26:32am

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

Military of Ecuador

British Armed Forces

Just a little bit in the UK's favor.

Yeah, I don't think they can afford to go to war over this. It was stupid to suggest that the authorities might bust into the embassy and haul him out, but to respond by granting him asylum when there's no means to extract him was the wrong way to call the bluff.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:28:24am

re: #31 Targetpractice

Yeah, I don't think they can afford to go to war over this. It was stupid to suggest that the authorities might bust into the embassy and haul him out, but to respond by granting him asylum when there's no means to extract him was the wrong way to call the bluff.

Face it, that scum is either living in that embassy for the rest of his life or he's going to leave in handcuffs.

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:29:29am

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

What're the options that Ecuador calls in Mercosur to help out, though?

Venezuela hates any country that speaks English, and Brazil might be dumb enough to think they can raise themselves to Great Power status if they fight-and-win...

Targetpractice Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:31:52am

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Face it, that scum is either living in that embassy for the rest of his life or he's going to leave in handcuffs.

I'm more inclined to believe that the latter is the more likely end result. I doubt the embassy staff is willing to put up with him forever and he's not important enough to go to war over. Now that they've backed themselves into a corner, I figure there will be back-channel talks about how to turn him over to the authorities with promises that he won't be extradited to the US. Or that, if extradited, capital punishment is taken off the table.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 10:33:38am

re: #27 Destro

But I always find it odd that out of nowhere he inserted a rant about Zimbabwe - what does that have to do with Assange? Must be deep in his mind to go off topic like that.

Her. Now you're just being disrespectful on purpose. She is referring to this:

Will Mugabe's party be torn apart by Wikileaks?

But party insiders say the country's independence leader, who has been in power for 31 years, was stunned by recent disclosures on the whistle-blowing site Wikileaks that his close allies spoke to US diplomats about his political exit and death.

With elections beckoning, the reality is that a string of his top officials in his Zanu-PF party believe he is now a liability and want him to go before presidential polls slated for next year.

You cannot blame this on the British.

alinuxguru Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:01:23am

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

I bet the Duke of Parma did the same back of the napkin calculations when he was considering military action against the UK.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 11:59:26am

re: #19 Destro

Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange say he could face the death penalty if he is extradited to the US.

Then he could be a martyr! Like Harmodius and Aristogeiton, except, you know, only one of him. Which is just as well, because I can't see Assange doing the whole 'come back so your lover doesn't die alone' thing.

They can build him an enormous marble tomb, covered in allegorical figures, and young maidens can come and weep yearly, and strew classified files over him.

Or, you know, not.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:00:28pm

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Face it, that scum is either living in that embassy for the rest of his life or he's going to leave in handcuffs.

I'm sure it's nice in the Ecuadorian embassy.

Dr Lizardo Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:03:52pm

My overall impression is that this whole situation is going to become something of a pickle for all concerned.

Why the Ecuadorians granted Mr. Assange asylum when they have no means whatsoever do get him out of the Embassy and to Quito (or somewhere) is beyond me, other than as a strictly political maneuver.

As to what the Brits will do is anyone's guess. Would they actually storm the Embassy in order to arrest Mr. Assange? Or will they just continue to surround it with police, and if he pops out, arrest him them? Will the Ecuadorian Embassy staff finally tire of him and tell him, "Sorry, compadre, but you've worn out your welcome."? Or can they even do that?

I do recall reading the case of Cardinal Jószef Mindszenty, who spent fifteen years in the U.S. Embassy in Budapest ([Link: en.wikipedia.org...] I wonder if the Ecuadorians (or the British) will let the situation go on that long? We shall see, I suppose.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:07:03pm

re: #29 Chrysicat

OH, FUCK YOU! Chrysi. Cat. Female. Furry--why don't you hate me for that instead of imagined racism?

And as for what Zimbabwe has to do with Assange, part of the Manning Leaks was info that Tsangvirai had been talking with Americans interested in imposing sanctions on the country. Right now Mugabe's letting him twist in the wind about it, but everyone knows eventually he'll use it as an excuse to remove him and charge him with treason.

So out of the millions of released wikileaks that stood out to you? Odd.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:09:31pm

re: #35 dragonath

Her. Now you're just being disrespectful on purpose. She is referring to this:

Will Mugabe's party be torn apart by Wikileaks?

You cannot blame this on the British.

Again, out of the millions of wikileaks (including about UFOs) that is what sprung to mind? Odd.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:11:33pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Then he could be a martyr! Like Harmodius and Aristogeiton, except, you know, only one of him. Which is just as well, because I can't see Assange doing the whole 'come back so your lover doesn't die alone' thing.

They can build him an enormous marble tomb, covered in allegorical figures, and young maidens can come and weep yearly, and strew classified files over him.

Or, you know, not.

The hero lovers killed the tyrant in question. Unless you are claiming Assange killed / wounded American tyranny?

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:11:45pm

re: #40 Destro

So out of the millions of released wikileaks that stood out to you? Odd.

It was quite widely reported on by many people in the press.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I also recall reading several articles on it.

I suppose the troubles of one little country of twelve million people don't add up to a hill of beans, though, in a world where you've got a vague chance of embarrassing the United States.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:13:11pm

re: #42 Destro

The hero lovers killed the tyrant in question. Unless you are claiming Assange killed / wounded American tyranny?

I'm being a tiny bit sarcastic about the degree of importance attributed to this egotistical man by himself and his admirers.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:14:58pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm being a tiny bit sarcastic about the degree of importance attributed to this egotistical man by himself and his admirers.

I think he is very important that is why he is being targeted.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:16:31pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

It was quite widely reported on by many people in the press.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I also recall reading several articles on it.

I suppose the troubles of one little country of twelve million people don't add up to a hill of beans, though, in a world where you've got a vague chance of embarrassing the United States.

The Rhodesia / Zimabwae thing is a major cause celebre amongst the racist right - a black villain (who is a villain) who is abusing a white British population with overtones of 'it can happen here'.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:18:47pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm being a tiny bit sarcastic about the degree of importance attributed to this egotistical man by himself and his admirers.

It's OK, any reference to the classics is appreciated. I doubt I could get much of a conversation these days about the Delian League let alone have people know who Harmodius and Aristogeiton.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:19:30pm

re: #41 Destro

Again, out of the millions of wikileaks (including about UFOs) that is what sprung to mind? Odd.

Your concern for the Zimbabweans is like your concern about the Jews. As an ideological bludgeon to be used against your imaginary enemies.

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:31:11pm

re: #46 Destro

The Rhodesia / Zimabwae thing is a major cause celebre amongst the racist right - a black villain (who is a villain) who is abusing a white British population with overtones of 'it can happen here'.

the London Guardian is hardly a publication of the racist right. And the country hasn't been called Rhodesia for thirty-two years.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:35:32pm

Of course, Destro is using the same line a ZANU-PF partisan would use against the MDC. If you're against Mugabe, you must be allied with imperialist interests.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:38:13pm

re: #48 dragonath

Your concern for the Zimbabweans is like your concern about the Jews. As an ideological bludgeon to be used against your imaginary enemies.

Yea, because I am sure that the plight of Zimbabweans is the first thing on anyones minds when it comes to Wikileaks. No one cares about the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis that Wikileaks told us about?

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Wikileaks: Iraq war logs 'reveal truth about conflict'

The "war logs" suggest evidence of torture was ignored, and detail the deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

The logs showed there were more than 109,000 violent deaths between 2004 and the end of 2009.

They included 66,081 civilians, 23,984 people classed as "enemy", 15,196 members of the Iraqi security forces, and 3,771 coalition troops.

The figures appear to contradict earlier claims that the US did not keep records of civilians killed.

Number of Zimbabwae political casualties?
1,300

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:40:12pm

re: #50 dragonath

Of course, Destro is using the same line a ZANU-PF partisan would use against the MDC. If you're against Mugabe, you must be allied with imperialist interests.

Right, because I am knee deep in Zimbabwe politics? I am just calling BS for bringing up Zimbabwe as meaning anything to the Wikileaks case.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:41:37pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

the London Guardian is hardly a publication of the racist right. And the country hasn't been called Rhodesia for thirty-two years.

Because everyone brings up Zimbabwe when talking about Wikileaks. Right?

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 12:46:20pm

It's not BS. It's an good example of how Assange's indiscriminate attitude about leaks worked in the favor of oppressive regimes. In your grasping attempt to defend Wikileaks you brought up the charge of racism.

Destro Thu, Aug 16, 2012 1:00:11pm

re: #54 dragonath

It's not BS. It's an good example of how Assange's indiscriminate attitude about leaks worked in the favor of oppressive regimes. In your grasping attempt to defend Wikileaks you brought up the charge of racism.

Then why bring up White Zimbabweans rather than the political infighting as to who will take over from Mugabe?

And the people who Wikileaks outed in Zimbabwe are Mugabe's inner circle who are just as guilty of what is claimed.

dragonath Thu, Aug 16, 2012 1:37:09pm

???

Because White Zimbabweans are one of the targets of Mugabe's civil rights abuses, among other groups. Skin color does not matter when it comes to oppression.

Chrysicat Thu, Aug 16, 2012 4:33:39pm

Destro, your vehemence about Assange being right in this case makes me wonder something, so I'm gonna flat-out ask it: do you think the wrong side won the Cold War?

I just ask because I've never seen anyone so dedicated to taking the US down a peg, besides Assange himself. This, guns and a 'broken, violent culture'...I'm pretty sure I'm missing some other biggies...I'd like to know, would you prefer if the US and your beloved Canada had finally let the Comintern take them over?

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