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1 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:24:04am

Meanwhile in the USA:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Occupy Wall Street trial begins for protesters accused of trespassing

Eight protesters on trial were arrested in December after moving to Trinity Church after Zuccotti Park was shut down

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:47:40am

re: #1 Destro

Meanwhile in the USA:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Occupy Wall Street trial begins for protesters accused of trespassing

Eight protesters on trial were arrested in December after moving to Trinity Church after Zuccotti Park was shut down

Any of them facing seven years in prison?

3 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:00:33am

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Any of them facing seven years in prison?

They got 2 years in Russia and it is for hooliganism not simple trespassing - they entered a religious building.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Which is about what an American teen got for vandalizing a synagogue (9-18 months)

[Link: www.timesleader.com...]

I don't see in the article what the sentence is in the New York case (and in that case it was trespassing onto a church owned vacant lot I think and not a religious building).

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

A retired Episcopal bishop and a Harlem priest were among seven people convicted Monday (June 18) on charges of trespassing on property owned by one of the Episcopal Church's wealthiest parishes at the height of the Occupy protests.

4 Chrysicat  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:54:41am

Destro...dude...you're basically white-knighting for the worst authoritarian outside of officially-communist countries. This might be the time to stop trying to dig the 'current and any similar Amerikkkan regime's' grave.

Further, these women are being punished for their speech and actions. If they'd happened to have a handy icon instead, they still would have been charged. The trespassers were charged for where they decided to invade.

5 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:03:14am

re: #4 Chrysicat

Destro...dude...you're basically white-knighting for the worst authoritarian outside of officially-communist countries. This might be the time to stop trying to dig the 'current and any similar Amerikkkan regime's' grave.

Further, these women are being punished for their speech and actions. If they'd happened to have a handy icon instead, they still would have been charged. The trespassers were charged for where they decided to invade.

No, you idiot I am saying the USA is barely better. I am not defending Putin's Russia I am saying we here in the USA are not much better off in terms of freedoms or how the "man" comes down on us. How many heads did cops bash in to break up Occupy Wall Street?

By the way, Russia banned the death penalty. Still legal in the USA - supposedly the world leader in enlightenment.

6 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:07:05am

re: #4 Chrysicat

Destro...dude...you're basically white-knighting for the worst authoritarian outside of officially-communist countries. This might be the time to stop trying to dig the 'current and any similar Amerikkkan regime's' grave.

Further, these women are being punished for their speech and actions. If they'd happened to have a handy icon instead, they still would have been charged. The trespassers were charged for where they decided to invade.

There were other reports of police violence Thursday amid crowds that some media outlets put in the thousands. Some of these altercations, such as the one above, seemed unprovoked. Others appeared touched off in part by protesters removing barricades erected to control the demonstrations. But in both cases the level of violence suggested, at best, indiscipline by individual cops and at worst official license to cause bodily harm.

The treatment of America's version of Pussy Riot:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Confronted by two topless young women taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York today, several police officers responded by whipping out their own tools of the trade -- nightsticks.

In a fracas that typified the tense atmosphere across lower Manhattan, the women were roughly pushed around the sidewalk along Broadway in front of famed Trinity Church, while some protesters were knocked down, said two people involved in the incident. Put another way, boobs were met with batons.

So fuck off on some American's self righteousness.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:00:22pm

re: #3 Destro

They got 2 years in Russia and it is for hooliganism not simple trespassing - they entered a religious building.

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Which is about what an American teen got for vandalizing a synagogue (9-18 months)

[Link: www.timesleader.com...]

I don't see in the article what the sentence is in the New York case (and in that case it was trespassing onto a church owned vacant lot I think and not a religious building).

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

A retired Episcopal bishop and a Harlem priest were among seven people convicted Monday (June 18) on charges of trespassing on property owned by one of the Episcopal Church's wealthiest parishes at the height of the Occupy protests.

Look who's suddenly concerned for the sanctity of the church!

Get real. "Hooliganism" is an old Soviet-era charge that means 'they pissed of the government'.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
In the Soviet Union the word khuligan was used to refer to scofflaws or political dissenters, “hooliganism” (rus. Хулига́нство) was listed as a criminal offense and used as a catch-all charge for prosecuting unapproved behavior. Part of the same bag of tricks as labeling dissent a mental illness. Just reciting it as though it was a real charge is meaningless.

They didn't cause damage, which the teenager above did.

Your willingness to make excuses for the weirdest people just baffles me.

One of the Occupy people got 45 days in jail. The others got community service.

Clearly, a travesty of justice that should leave Pussy Riot thanking their lucky stars they're not Americans.

8 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:26:42pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

Look who's suddenly concerned for the sanctity of the church!

Get real. "Hooliganism" is an old Soviet-era charge that means 'they pissed of the government'.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
In the Soviet Union the word khuligan was used to refer to scofflaws or political dissenters, “hooliganism” (rus. Хулига́нство) was listed as a criminal offense and used as a catch-all charge for prosecuting unapproved behavior. Part of the same bag of tricks as labeling dissent a mental illness. Just reciting it as though it was a real charge is meaningless.

They didn't cause damage, which the teenager above did.

Your willingness to make excuses for the weirdest people just baffles me.

One of the Occupy people got 45 days in jail. The others got community service.

Clearly, a travesty of justice that should leave Pussy Riot thanking their lucky stars they're not Americans.

Why did you ignore how American police broke Occupy Wall Street up with methods much more violently when they did nothing close to hooliganism? I acually get why the Russians would want to prevent religious institutions from being used in protests in a nation that has religious extremists waging war. What if a mosque or temple were targeted by extremists for protest next? Germany outlaws Scientology for example.

On top of that I am seeing more press about this Pussy Riot than I did about the Occupy Wall Street trial. That is what is baffeling to me about the state of the American mind. Americans act all superior when in fact they are no better or inferior.

PS: Just because I don't want religion used as a basis for making laws, etc does not mean I want religious people to be persecuted with certain exceptions like when a religion affects children who can't make a choice - like religion denying a child medical help, etc.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:55:41pm

re: #8 Destro

Why did you ignore how American police broke Occupy Wall Street up with methods much more violently when they did nothing close to hooliganism? I acually get why the Russians would want to prevent religious institutions from being used in protests in a nation that has religious extremists waging war. What if a mosque or temple were targeted by extremists for protest next? Germany outlaws Scientology for example.

On top of that I am seeing more press about this Pussy Riot than I did about the Occupy Wall Street trial. That is what is baffeling to me about the state of the American mind. Americans act all superior when in fact they are no better or inferior.

PS: Just because I don't want religion used as a basis for making laws, etc does not mean I want religious people to be persecuted with certain exceptions like when a religion affects children who can't make a choice - like religion denying a child medical help, etc.

Let me paraphrase your above: "Why wasn't I allowed to change the subject to one I care about? And also, screw freedom and democracy anywhere that I'm not interested in."

10 Destro  Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:09:35pm

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

America's call for freedom and democracy around the world is a joke. It is a joke at home as well.


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