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1 EiMitch  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 6:30:24pm

Fill in the blank: Like Jim Carrey, David Barton gets paid to talk out of his ____.

2 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 7:35:49pm

Way to go Republican ls, making this ignorant jackass a member of your platform commitee.

3 Destro  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:21:26pm
It says right there in the Constitution, right there in black and white:

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

See, plain as..

Wait a second…

2 + Jesus = 5

4 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:25:28pm

Gibberish. That's all I can say, pure gibberish.

Actually, Barton probably doesn't see any abortion restriction in the seventh amendment, he just assumes that his audience will not actually read the amendment for themselves. He is probably right.

PS, Barton, the Constitution is not part of the common law.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:37:03pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

Gibberish. That's all I can say, pure gibberish.

Actually, Barton probably doesn't see any abortion restriction in the seventh amendment, he just assumes that his audience will not actually read the amendment for themselves. He is probably right.

PS, Barton, the Constitution is not part of the common law.

You are correct. His audience will not read it, or reading, consider if his argument makes any sense. He's also banking on ignorance about what 'common law' actually is.

Some brief Googling suggests that there are a number of 'Constitutional' websites out there that (deliberately, I suspect) suggest that 'common law' is the same as 'natural law'. Since most proponents of 'natural law' would insist that it forbids abortion, hence, these people assume that 'common law' does likewise.

I'm still not entirely sure how we get from the right to jury in certain civil cases to a ban on abortion, but then again, I'm not David Barton.

And English common law, AFAIK, unambiguously placed life as beginning with 'quickening', not at conception.

Is this guy even TRYING?

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Aug 27, 2012 9:43:50pm

I'm just amazed that a guy this ignorant has the influence he does in conservative politics. I mean it would be one thing if he stated that he thought that the right to abortion was unconstitutional and actually gave a well built argument supporting his point but he's using the amendment that guarantees the right to a speedy trial and a trial by jury and bans double jeopardy as well to justify his position on abortion being unconstitutional. I would love to know why Mike Huckabee thinks this is a man we should listen to at gunpoint when he routinely gets facts wrong. Like saying the founders rejected Darwinism. I mean Darwin published his findings in the middle of the 19th century, long after the founders died. Barton's problem really isn't that he's an extremist whack job, there is that of course but his biggest problem is he has no grounding of the facts whatsoever. He shouldn't be treated as a historian. Heck, he would fail grade school history and civics with the falsehoods he spreads.


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