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1 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:39:19am

There's a good special on H2, On Demand, about Charlie Wilson's war. Not only is there sex and drugs, but you also get a glimpse of the intelligence bureaucracy at work. Keystone Cops.

2 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:04:00pm

re: #1 Bob Levin

Or, deliberate misinformation.

Not unexpected

3 Destro  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 8:36:40am

re: #1 Bob Levin

There's a good special on H2, On Demand, about Charlie Wilson's war. Not only is there sex and drugs, but you also get a glimpse of the intelligence bureaucracy at work. Keystone Cops.

Everyone in the Charlie Wilson's war should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting jihadi terrorists.Charlie Wilson's war enebaled al-Qaeda to form.

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 10:19:13am

re: #3 Destro

Everyone in the Charlie Wilson's war should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting jihadi terrorists.Charlie Wilson's war enebaled al-Qaeda to form.

Yes. Dear God, those poor Russians. You'd think a civilized country could get involved in someone else's civil war without it becoming some kind of quagmire.

//Note: for the slow of listening, this comment is not intended to be an endorsement of Charlie Wilson, the CIA, the mujahideen, al-Quaeda, or the often egregious behavior of the United States at various points during the Cold War. It is merely meant to express exhaustion with a certain sort of nuanceless state of constant and selective outrage.

5 Destro  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 7:24:53pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Yea, Afghanistan would have been better off under Soviet secular rule rather than the influence of those nut jobs in Pakistan.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 8:42:45pm

re: #5 Destro

Yea, Afghanistan would have been better off under Soviet secular rule rather than the influence of those nut jobs in Pakistan.

God, you're a blast from the past. I haven't heard this much shilling for the Soviet Empire since the 1980s.

Are you normally in favor of nations taking up the White Man's Burden and bringing civilization at gunpoint to the savage natives, or is this just special because it's Russia?

7 Destro  Sun, Sep 2, 2012 6:43:37am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

I am arguing for non-interventionism. The USSR would have fallen regardless of what happened in Afghanistan - they were broke. The CIA was telling the president they were broke but the American numb-nuts we had in power refused to accept this reality because they had made the USSR suh a big bogeyman for them.

So the scenario is USSR is in Afghanistan - the jihadis are not being armed by anyone and thus don't really exist - the USSR falls and forces retreat - Afghan regime in power is a reformed socailist secular regime like existed in Eastern Europe after the fall of the iron curtain - Bin Laden has no al-Qaeda base. No 9/11.

8 Bob Levin  Sun, Sep 2, 2012 11:19:54am

re: #7 Destro

Could you stay on topic, just once?

9 Destro  Sun, Sep 2, 2012 2:27:04pm

re: #8 Bob Levin

Could you stay on topic, just once?

Why did you not stay on topic when you mentioned "Charlie Wilson's War"? Did you forget you did that? I commented on your comment meaning I was on topic - you were not.


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