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1 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:18:39am

‘our enemies and haters should be ended’ we should have in mind the Iranian regime,

Unlike the Iranians who call for wiping out the entire populace of Israel, he is clearly talking about the leading Mullahs and DinnerJacket

2 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:20:15am

Who can blame the guy?

Decades of promises to 'Finish what Hitler started' and more promises of annihilation and genocide are bound to elicit a reaction.

Know what I mean?

Sure you do.

Still, I do wonder why those things never seemed to bother you.

Well, not really.l

3 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:25:58am

Hey D, when you doodle, do you draw the design of the uniform you want to wear?

4 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:49:22am

re: #1 sattv4u2

‘our enemies and haters should be ended’ we should have in mind the Iranian regime,

Unlike the Iranians who call for wiping out the entire populace of Israel, he is clearly talking about the leading Mullahs and DinnerJacket

It's Destro.

Truth is optional.

5 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:13:44pm

re: #1 sattv4u2


re: #2 researchok

re: #3 Bob Levin


Didn't the Iranians say there were mis-interpreted? In any case this "Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef" has said other wacky and racist Nazi like things as well just like the Iranians (and this guy is the spiritual leader of a political party in the coalition govt of Israel): Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says in Saturday sermon that 'Goyim have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel'

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]


Haaretz.com: In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."

"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat."

According to Yosef, death has "no dominion" over non-Jews in Israel.

"With gentiles, it will be like any person - they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

6 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:20:20pm

re: #5 Destro

Like I said, decades of threats will eventually elicit a certain response.

I'm curious- you seem to go to great lengths to defend the Iranians.

How do you feel about their Holocaust denial?

Do you approve?

I suppose you do, given the reality an 'enlightened' person such as yourself has never criticized that regime for Holocaust denial or state sponsored racism, bigotry and hate.

Since you seem so impressed by quotes, here are a few more.

7 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:23:04pm

re: #5 Destro

See D, what you are saying is called 'The Blood Libel', another one of those protocols that you claim that you never use.

Now you could take the same quote and use it as evidence that his interpretation of the Torah seems a bit off--that he should probably study more, and listen to divergent opinions. But no, you call him a cold-blooded murderer. And that's racist. See how simple this is?

8 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:25:25pm

re: #6 researchok

Like I said, decades of threats will eventually elicit a certain response.

I'm curious- you seem to go to great lengths to defend the Iranians.

How do you feel about their Holocaust denial?

Do you approve?

The Iranians are religious nut jobs. But Israel has religous nut jobs in power like this guy and the Israelis have undisclosed nukes to boot.

I find the Iranian denial of the holocaust a horrible thing. Just like I find their Islamist regime a horrible regime.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:26:39pm

Eyeroll. I'm not even interested in wading into this one.

10 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:27:39pm

re: #7 Bob Levin

See D, what you are saying is called 'The Blood Libel', another one of those protocols that you claim that you never use.

Now you could take the same quote and use it as evidence that his interpretation of the Torah seems a bit off--that he should probably study more, and listen to divergent opinions. But no, you call him a cold-blooded murderer. And that's racist. See how simple this is?

I mention a specific extremist leader of an extremist religious party in Israel that has sway over whether a war will start with Iran that might go nuclear and drag the USA and the world down with it if started. Deal with that rather than try to explain it away.

11 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:28:47pm

re: #8 Destro

Liar.

The religious authorities in Israel are independent, unlike the state sponsored and controlled clerics in Iran and elsewhere in the region

I would have thought you would have waited at least 24 hours before so blatantly lying again.

Do you need a reminder of your lies?

12 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:29:01pm

re: #10 Destro

He doesn't have that much power. Back to your use of The Blood Libel.

13 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:29:33pm

re: #10 Destro

LOLOL

On the defensive so quickly?

14 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:32:21pm

re: #11 researchok

Liar.

The religious authorities in Israel are independent, unlike the state sponsored and controlled clerics in Iran and elsewhere in the region

I would have thought you would have waited at least 24 hours before so blatantly lying again.

Do you need a reminder of your lies?

Crazy old Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is the Shas party spiritual leader and founder of the party. Following the 2009 elections in which Shas won 11 seats, it joined Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government and holds four cabinet posts. Its current leader, Eli Yishai, is one of four Deputy Prime Ministers, and Minister of Internal Affairs.

15 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:32:49pm

re: #13 researchok

I think you are doing the defending right now.

16 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:33:22pm

re: #8 Destro

No comparison between Iran and Israel, moral or otherwise.

None whatsoever.

But we can play if you like.

17 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:33:42pm

re: #12 Bob Levin

He doesn't have that much power. Back to your use of The Blood Libel.

No?

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is the Shas party spiritual leader and founder of the party. Following the 2009 elections in which Shas won 11 seats, it joined Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government and holds four cabinet posts. Its current leader, Eli Yishai, is one of four Deputy Prime Ministers, and Minister of Internal Affairs.

18 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:35:55pm

re: #14 Destro

Israel is a democracy. Iran is a brutal, thuggish totalitarian state.

Like I said, no comparison between the two, moral or otherwise.

Ask the family of Neda Sultan.

By the way, you didn't respond to those quotes.

Why is that?

19 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:36:16pm

re: #17 Destro

In Israeli politics, that's nothing, compared to the Prime Minister of Iran. Back to your use of The Blood Libel.

20 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:37:34pm

re: #19 Bob Levin

It's about the lies for Destro. It's always about the lies.

He couldn't even wait 24 hours

21 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:37:48pm

Put it another way. You used The Blood Libel. Are you denying this?

22 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:43:47pm

He's comparing Iran to Israel.

Iran is the state with religious police, forces women into certain dress and behaviors (I won't get into the stoning and other punishments just yet) a regime that used 13 yer old boys as mine detectors, and so one.

There is the matter of the Green Revolution, treatment of gays and Baha'i and routine summary executions.

And that's just for starters.

23 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 12:51:31pm

re: #22 researchok

And don't forget, he's using The Blood Libel as the basis for this critique. I'm guessing he's either going to open a second front, post something new, go attack someone else, or go across the street and become Warren Music.

Maybe he'll redraw his epaulets.

24 palomino  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 1:07:05pm

Nearly every nation has dangerous religious fanatics. My impression is that they have much more control in Iran than in Israel, although they do exist in the latter. They also exist right here in the US, where their strength seems to be growing, as evidenced by more calls for Christian religious law replacing secular law, and more blatant Islamophobia now than right after 9/11.

I think Destro asks a fair question, but it's one that can easily be rebutted by the fact that Shas seems on the fringe in Israel whereas its Iranian "counterparts" pretty much run the whole freaking deranged clusterfuck called Iran.

25 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 1:28:35pm

re: #24 palomino

The fair question would be--could someone explain how this person fits into Israeli and Jewish culture? Are these actually worrisome statements, or do they just appear to be worrisome?

But that wasn't the direction of the discussion. It went right to The Blood Libel, which is what it is.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 1:43:46pm

re: #22 researchok

He's comparing Iran to Israel.

Iran is the state with religious police, forces women into certain dress and behaviors (I won't get into the stoning and other punishments just yet) a regime that used 13 yer old boys as mine detectors, and so one.

There is the matter of the Green Revolution, treatment of gays and Baha'i and routine summary executions.

And that's just for starters.

Jerry Falwell was probably just as crazy as Khomeini. He was also politically influential. And yet, there is a difference.

Rav Ovadia is a challenge to me. His reputation as a scholar is almost as wide-spread as his reputation as a nut, and I know many left-wing Mizrahim who greatly respect him as a Torah scholar and a champion of Mizrahi communities in Israel, while still shuddering at the horrible stuff that comes out of his mouth periodically.

Mostly he puts me in a blind rage. The only times I've ever really approved of him thoroughly was when he told people to stop smoking, and when he supported the Ethiopian olim's Jewish status.

27 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:00:08pm

re: #5 Destro

Didn't the Iranians say there were mis-interpreted?

Each and every time ,, for the last 3 1/2 DECADES !?!?

Wow ,, They really need a new Public Relations team!!!

(and people wonder why I {sigh})

28 philosophus invidius  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:03:18pm

re: #5 Destro

You sound like the bizzaro Robert Spencer.

29 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:07:26pm

re: #28 philosophus invidius

You sound like the bizzaro Robert Spencer.

I have no affinity for Robert Spencer, but thats an insult to Robert Spencer!!!

///

30 philosophus invidius  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:15:37pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

I didn't mean it as a compliment to Robert Spencer.

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 2:16:02pm

re: #30 philosophus invidius

I didn't mean it as a compliment to Robert Spencer.

hence, the ///

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 4:15:52pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

Mostly he puts me in a blind rage. The only times I've ever really approved of him thoroughly was when he told people to stop smoking, and when he supported the Ethiopian olim's Jewish status.

Of course, I have a friend who informs me that you go with Hillel or Shammai, and stick to it, and he now claims to smoke more than ever, just to show that he doesn't hold by Ovadia Yosef.

33 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 4:43:37pm

re: #16 researchok

No comparison between Iran and Israel, moral or otherwise.

None whatsoever.

But we can play if you like.

I am not so much comparing Iran and Israel but the crazy religious leaders of political parties in Israel and Iran.

34 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 4:50:24pm

re: #28 philosophus invidius

You sound like the bizzaro Robert Spencer.

And I want to show those that attack Muslims the way Robert Spencer for the sake of Israel tend to defend Israeli religious kooks.

I condemn equally religions in the role of politics. This Shas party leader - let's face it - this is his party which he founded - is being consolted/asked to bless a strike on Iran and this is his thinking.

Iran scares me because they are ruled by a theocracy. Israel is starting to scare me because they are influenced by theocratic parties.

35 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 4:53:44pm

re: #1 sattv4u2

re: #2 researchok

re: #3 Bob Levin

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #24 palomino

And I want to show those that attack Muslims the way Robert Spencer for the sake of Israel on here tend to defend Israeli religious kooks.

I condemn equally religions in the role of politics. This Shas party leader - let's face it - this is his party which he founded - is being consolted/asked to bless a strike on Iran, and this is his thinking.

Iran scares me because they are ruled by a theocracy. Israel is starting to scare me because they are influenced by theocratic parties. They also have a messianic complex and unlike Iran, they have nukes.

When you have the Republican candidate for President who may win openly declare pretty much he would go to war with Iran for Israel then we have to take a hard look who is in the Israeli govt and what they are calling for.

And try all you want, I added not one word above to make what this crazy religious leader of Shas (a coalition ruling partner) even more disgusting or crazy than it actually is.

36 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:00:43pm

re: #35 Destro

More bullshit

When you have the Republican candidate for President who may win openly declare pretty much he would go to war with Iran for Israel then we have to take a hard look who is in the Israeli govt and what they are calling for

Nobody in the civilized world wants to see Iran with nuclear capabilities, given their declared intent. And Obama has promised Israel his complete support when it comes to her security.

The US, Europe NATO, et al have all declared their opposition to Iran's nuclear program

I know you want to make this only about Israel, but that is just bullshit. Once more you have proved you have an allergy to the truth.

And we all know you are an expert on that subject.

37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:05:08pm

re: #17 Destro

But Shas does not hold the offices of Prime, Defense, or Foreign Minister. No would Benjamin Netanyahu ever sign on to a campaign of mass murder. Shas is a problem, but they can't force Netanyahu to go to war: The Labor party and Kadima would vote to keep Netanyahu as PM before they'd let Shas demand that kind of war vote.

Your analogy is false, and is the kind of shock value you typically go in for.

38 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:06:39pm

re: #36 researchok

I don't want Iran to have nukes either but Romney and his pal Bibi's position on Iran is not Obama's more reasoned position on how to prevent that from happening. And I don't trust Israel when one of her ruling parties is run by a racist religous kook like this guy.

39 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:08:52pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

But Shas does not hold the offices of Prime, Defense, or Foreign Minister. No would Benjamin Netanyahu ever sign on to a campaign of mass murder. Shas is a problem, but they can't force Netanyahu to go to war: The Labor party and Kadima would vote to keep Netanyahu as PM before they'd let Shas demand that kind of war vote.

Your analogy is false, and is the kind of shock value you typically go in for.

Bibi is going to this guy to seek his blessings on war with Iran. Why is that being ignored?

[Link: www.agi.it...]

Netanyahu has contacted Rabbi Yosef, head of the Shas party, to try and muster support for an attack on Iran. Reports in the Israeli media say that the Israeli premier has sent the head of the National Security Council, Yaakov Amidror, to meet Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, to garner support.

So if this guy is calling on god to destroy Iran (he said Iranian regime and the Iran (all of it)) did he give his 'blessings'?

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:10:17pm

re: #36 researchok

More bullshit

Nobody in the civilized world wants to see Iran with nuclear capabilities, given their declared intent. And Obama has promised Israel his complete support when it comes to her security.

The US, Europe NATO, et al have all declared their opposition to Iran's nuclear program

I know you want to make this only about Israel, but that is just bullshit. Once more you have proved you have an allergy to the truth.

And we all know you are an expert on that subject.

Quoted for Truth. Neither Barack Obama nor Mitt Romney want a war. But the choice is not mainly America's to make. We really cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran, and both Obama and Romney have made clear that stopping Iran's nuclear program by force, while not a good thing, would be better than a nuclear-armed Iran.

41 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:15:26pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Quoted for Truth. Neither Barack Obama nor Mitt Romney want a war. But the choice is not mainly America's to make. We really cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran, and both Obama and Romney have made clear that stopping Iran's nuclear program by force, while not a good thing, would be better than a nuclear-armed Iran.

Romney sounded like he wanted a war with Iran, Russia and China. I take the crazy right wing at its word, be they Israeli, Iranian or Republicans.

And just to repeat, I don't deny Iran has called for Israel to be wiped out, genocided, etc. I just point out Iran has no ability to carry out such wish fulfillment - it has no nuclear weapons progam and won't have one for years if it started now. Israel, though does have nukes. That would not be a problem if ruled by sane people. Does this Israeli ruling coalition partner sound sane to you?

42 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:32:58pm

re: #38 Destro

More bullshit.

This isn't about Romney. Obama has made clear he will back Israel's security needs.

The only difference between the two is strategy, not policy.

And I can assure you Europe will not tolerate a nuclear Iran, either.

And neither will Saudi Arabia or nay of the other Gulf states.

43 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:35:55pm

re: #41 Destro

More bullshit.

How exactly did Romney sound any different than Obama on Israel's security?

As for the bullshit pivot and attack about China and Russia, give us a break.

Do you have any idea just how stupid you sound in declaring Romney wants war with them?

Couple that stupidity with your propensity for lying and you can see how you have earned your reputation.

44 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:42:29pm

re: #39 Destro

More bullshit.

Your worried about a guy who wants God to punish the bigotsw and racists who want to annihilate Israel, but not with the freaks who declare they wan to use nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

And Rafsanjani isn't just a cleric- he's a political figure as well.

There is a reason Ban Ki Moon pissed all over the Iranians in public today.

And why not be more accurate- why lie- the rabbi wants the leadership destroyed. Why imply otherwise?

Even you claim to hate the leadership (you keep painting yourself into corners- makes me laugh)

More Destro pivot and attack bullshit.

45 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 5:44:57pm

re: #41 Destro

The Israelis, Obama and Romney are all saner saner than the Iranians- or you.

As for the rest, just more pivot ad attack bullshit.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 7:20:54pm

Fifteen negatives on a page.

Are you trying for a record?

47 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 7:42:10pm

re: #41 Destro

The fact that Israel hasn't carpet bombed the gaza strip is reason enough to accept that Israeli leadership isn't going to follow the words of this one man.

48 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 8:16:20pm

re: #34 Destro

And I want to show those that attack Muslims the way Robert Spencer for the sake of Israel tend to defend Israeli religious kooks.

Why do you care if Muslims are attacked? (FYI, that's a rhetorical question.) Some of your recent comments are not the words of a person who cares one whit about whether or not Muslims are being treated equitably by scumbags like Spencer:

I have great personal disdain for Islam.

I have no Muslim friends, Alhamdulillah.

I don't trust religious people. They think fairy sky gods are real and follow advice given by people who claim to hear voices.

Moses, Mohamed, God, all war criminals and genociders.

You're not American and English is not your first language. This is patently obvious from your grammar and the cultural references you make. You might possess American citizenship, but nothing more. The existence of Israel is clearly a major bug up your ass. I'm not sure why, but I suspect it's related to your real life background, whatever that is.

It's pathetic that you're consigned to haunting the Pages like some lumbering, malformed cellar creature in a B-grade horror flick. You hide behind a ridiculous child's comic book character, stomping your feet & whining about others' behavior while you yourself constantly hurl the sort of abuse & contempt that is born of abject ignorance & poor upbringing. Surely you don't expect to be taken seriously.

Yes, we're guilty too. We come down here and poke you with a stick every once in a while—like I'm doing right now—just to watch your grunt and take swipes at us. It's mildly amusing, but people will lose interest pretty quickly as your predictability, inane non sequiturs, lack of critical thinking skills, and general oafishness are tiresome. Your eventual banning is inevitable, but you already know that—it's why you post so manically. Enjoy it while it lasts.

You're creepy, but (unfortunately) not at all unique.

Carry on. *puts stick down, walks out*

49 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:18:28pm

Just because I don't like your faith does not mean I consider there to be a threat from your faith taking over the USA. Why is it so hard to comprehend? I don't like your faith but I don't want to go to a Muslim country and fight a crusade. Why is it so hard to comprehend?

And I an American and not a foreigner - point out what part of my grammer is off.

50 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:20:10pm

re: #46 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Fifteen negatives on a page.

Are you trying for a record?

Why didn't any of you 15 post this article? It's from the Jerusalem Post so not a fringe news source.

51 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:21:45pm

re: #50 Destro

Why didn't any of you 15 post this article?

There are enormous numbers of religious figures saying enormous numbers of things. You'd go nuts try to keep up with them.

He specified the Iranian regime.

I don't like them either. Something about a woman named Neda.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:22:13pm

The thing is, Israeli politicians do go to Ovadia Yosef for advice and blessings on their various endeavors.

One of these was Ariel Sharon. He wanted approval for the Gush Katif evacuation.

Yosef said no, by no means.

As some of you may recall, things went ahead in Gush Katif. Because Ovadia Yosef is not actually the puppet-master, he's an elderly rabbi with a lot of political access.

Something to bear in mind as some people get carried away with fantasies about his influence.

53 Gus  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:23:15pm

Destro. I agree with you on a lot of things but you're just way wrong on Israel. One Rabbi does not indicate a trend in Israel. It is the aggressive Mullah's and Ahmadinijad.

Most Israelis are very progressive and peaceful people. As are the urbane people of Iran. Even Bibi would be considered a RINO. Look at Tel Aviv.

And let me leave you with one thought. Perhaps two. In Israel you can freely and openly oppose this man's belief. Just as much as you can appeal the Corrie decision.

And until they recognize the state of Israel I won't negotiate and remain a critic.

Or as we call it at LGF. Magical balance fairy fail.

54 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:25:28pm

re: #51 Mostly sane, most of the time.

There are enormous numbers of religious figures saying enormous numbers of things. You'd go nuts try to keep up with them.

He specified the Iranian regime.

I don't like them either. Something about a woman named Neda.

This is not just a religious kook - he is Bibi's council on potential war with Iran.

55 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:35:11pm

re: #53 Gus

Destro. I agree with you on a lot of things but you're just way wrong on Israel. One Rabbi does not indicate a trend in Israel. It is the aggressive Mullah's and Ahmadinijad.

Most Israelis are very progressive and peaceful people. As are the urbane people of Iran. Even Bibi would be considered a RINO. Look at Tel Aviv.

And let me leave you with one thought. Perhaps two. In Israel you can freely and openly oppose this man's belief. Just as much as you can appeal the Corrie decision.

And until they recognize the state of Israel I won't negotiate and remain a critic.

Or as we call it at LGF. Magical balance fairy fail.

You assume I attacking Israel the nation. I don't get that. I am attacking the current govt ruling Israel. It is a right wing govt which courts religous extremists and there are elements there now going to religous Israeli figures looking to get a blessing for war.

I get my news of Israel direct from Israeli sources and not from FOX.

Here is an article from haaretz.com that is saying the same thing about the relationship between this religious kook extremist and his political power and relationship with the Israeli PM.

But the prime minister did see fit to send the head of the National Security Council to the rabbi, in order to conscript him for a holy war. An associate once asked me: “Why do you even pay attention to Ovadia, he’s already totally senile.” But meanwhile, he is the one who will decide on the war.

I am glad there are secular Israelis calling out this religous kook and anytime I hear of a politician going to an extremist holyman to seek his blessings for a war that will drag the USA into another Middle Eastern war that freaks me out.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:36:50pm

re: #54 Destro

This is not just a religious kook - he is Bibi's council on potential war with Iran.

I didn't say he was a kook. I said that we didn't post because most of us don't have time to catch everything said by every religious leader with a national audience.

I have no idea what imams in Great Britain said this week, or the Dalai Lama, or the Pope.

57 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:38:33pm

re: #56 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I have no idea what imams in Great Britain said this week, or the Dalai Lama, or the Pope.'

Is the Prime Minister of the UK consulting with any crazy religous leader looking for his blessings to launch a war? See my link @ #55.

58 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:40:38pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

The thing is, Israeli politicians do go to Ovadia Yosef for advice and blessings on their various endeavors.

One of these was Ariel Sharon. He wanted approval for the Gush Katif evacuation.

Yosef said no, by no means.

As some of you may recall, things went ahead in Gush Katif. Because Ovadia Yosef is not actually the puppet-master, he's an elderly rabbi with a lot of political access.

Something to bear in mind as some people get carried away with fantasies about his influence.

I did not say he was a puppet master. I accuse Netanyahu of looking to get his blessing from a religous kook (per the kooky and racist things he says) to start a war with Iran.

59 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:41:43pm

re: #55 Destro

You seem obsessed with only some 'religious kooks', as you put it.

Why is that?

60 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:43:31pm

re: #59 researchok

You seem obsessed with only some 'religious kooks', as you put it.

Why is that?

Yea, I concentrate on the ones that can get us into wars or pass laws that affect my life. Some Muslim religous kook has zero chance of passing a sharia law where I live so it is not that much on my radar.

61 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:43:49pm

re: #55 Destro

You've been busted again.

Nothing you said in any substantive way negates Gus' remarks.

More pivot and attack.

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:44:46pm

re: #57 Destro

I have no idea what imams in Great Britain said this week, or the Dalai Lama, or the Pope.'

Is the Prime Minister of the UK consulting with any crazy religous leader looking for his blessings to launch a war? See my link @ #55.

Crazy religious kook?

Well, the PM of the UK always consults with a religious leader before a war--the queen or king, who is the head of the Anglican church. I would be unsurprised if they didn't listen to whoever the functioning head is.

Also, I don't see anyone looking to wipe out the English.

63 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:44:56pm

re: #61 researchok

You've been busted again.

Nothing you said in any substantive way negates Gus' remarks.

More pivot and attack.

That's up to Gus to decide. You keep throwing out the pivot and attack line but that is you who is doing that.

64 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:47:30pm

re: #60 Destro

So why not start a thread on the Hashemi Rafsanjani?

I'd say he and the current Iranian regime are a far greater threat.

Think about it- the UN, Europe, US, western democracies have placed sanctions on the Iranian regime.

Why do you suppose that it is. What is it they and everyone else sees that you dont?

It doesn't take a scholar, you know.

Now you can pivot and attack again.

I like watching you dance.

65 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:48:38pm

re: #63 Destro

No, that won't work, parroting me.

Shall we go back to the post where all this started?

Do you recall?

66 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:49:05pm

re: #62 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Crazy religious kook?

Well, the PM of the UK always consults with a religious leader before a war--the queen or king, who is the head of the Anglican church. I would be unsurprised if they didn't listen to whoever the functioning head is.

Also, I don't see anyone looking to wipe out the English.

I wrote crazy religous leader. I did not call all religous leaders crazy in the extremist sense now did I?

67 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:50:33pm

re: #66 Destro

Is the Iranian leader who called for the use of a nuclear weapon a kook?

68 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:51:49pm

re: #63 Destro

No scholar, it is not only up to Gus decide.

This is a public form. Opinions are out there for everyone to comment on.

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:53:01pm

re: #66 Destro

I wrote crazy religous leader. I did not call all religous leaders crazy in the extremist sense now did I?

The problem is that "Crazy religious kook" is a very subjective judgment.

One man's crazy religious kook is another man's voice of truth.

70 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:56:10pm

Pakistan is killing Americans daily and they have nukes. But they are our allies and not under sanctions. Iran is barely functioning economically and has no nukes - how scared do you want me to be?

They have sanctions on sanction on Iran - have you seen any posts by me asking they be lifted? There we go problem solved.

Your side on the other hand - and you especially declared Islam - all of Islam - anti-semitic - and on top of that call for military attacks on Iran and you even claim Saddam had WMD justifying the Bush war. It is your judgment that should be questioned.

71 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 9:59:52pm

re: #69 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The problem is that "Crazy religious kook" is a very subjective judgment.

One man's crazy religious kook is another man's voice of truth.

Samples of this rabbis' kookyness is found linked @#5

Haaretz.com: In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."

"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat."

According to Yosef, death has "no dominion" over non-Jews in Israel.

"With gentiles, it will be like any person - they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

And that is tame compared to other weirdo stuff he said. Now this is t he guy that Netanyahu is going to for blessing on starting a war.

72 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:04:21pm

re: #67 researchok

Is the Iranian leader who called for the use of a nuclear weapon a kook?

A) Your English language source seemed suspect to me. I only source as best I can from mainstream news sources.

B) Iran's religous leaders are despotic as you would expect froma theocracy but Iran has no nuclear weapons or a nuclear weapons program at the moment per Israeli Defense Minister Barak.

Iran is not in a military position to strike Israel. Iran has a weak military and could not defeat Saddam's Iraq whom the Iranians outnumbered.

Israel is a nuclear superpower that is threatening to start a war by attacking Iran.

See the difference?

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:10:42pm

re: #70 Destro

Pakistan is killing Americans daily and they have nukes. But they are our allies and not under sanctions. Iran is barely functioning economically and has no nukes - how scared do you want me to be?

I could care less how scared you are. Your particular level of fear regarding Iran is beyond irrelevant. You do seem to have a particularly American attitude though...this business of assuming that how threatened you are is somehow the important thing in any given international situation.

//

Your side on the other hand - and you especially declared Islam - all of Islam - anti-semitic - and on top of that call for military attacks on Iran and you even claim Saddam had WMD justifying the Bush war. It is your judgment that should be questions.

Hmmm. Speaking for myself, since I think I'm being identified here as 'the side':

The Muslim world has an old and deep and demonstrable strain of anti-Semitism. I would certainly not describe 'all of Islam' as anti-Semitic. Your inability to cope with having your half-assed semantics picked apart is not my problem.

I'm hoping that it doesn't come to military action. The computer virus attacks will probably continue, and have real possibilities. If there is, God forbid, a military strike, I can only pray for something like Osirak--in and out, with minimal loss of life.

Saddam didn't have WMD. We went in on lousy intelligence.

I hope this clears up some of your carefully cultivated misconceptions.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:13:11pm

Destro, a hypothetical question: what do you think will happen if Netanyahu asks for Rav Ovadia Yosef's blessing on an attack on Iran, and is told no?

Will he give up the plan?

75 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:13:39pm

re: #70 Destro

More bullshit.

Iran has threatened to use nuclear weapons.

Iraq had already used WMD's

And speaking of 'poor Iran;, have you ever hear of the Ahwazi Arabs?
Do you know how long they have been occupied?

Did you know about how their water supplies were cut off?

Di you know Iran has begun to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population even more brutally than they have the Baha'i?

Do you know about the forced relocation?

Yes, those 'poor Iranians' are occupiers too- and far more brutal than the Israelis.

But a smart guy like you knows that- and throw your bullshit out anyway.

If the regime will slaughter the likes of Neda Sultan one of their own, the Ahwazi Arabs, Bahai children thrown as fodder against the Iraqis, how do you think the 'poor Iranians' regime will treat the Israelis?

The real tragedy is the Iranians do not deserve what their leaders have done to hem.

They have a great history- and they are being pissed on by their regime and supporters of their regime.

But you already know that- smart guy like you

76 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:14:01pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

My comments were directed at researchok and his Islam is ant-semitic comments and he meant all of Islam.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:14:30pm

re: #76 Destro

My comments were directed at researchok and his Islam is ant-semitic comments and he meant all of Islam.

Am I 'his side'? Or not?

78 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:14:51pm

re: #71 Destro

Since you hate religious kooks, why not post these quotes?

79 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:16:28pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Destro, a hypothetical question: what do you think will happen if Netanyahu asks for Rav Ovadia Yosef's blessing on an attack on Iran, and is told no?

Will he give up the plan?

Don't know. What I do know is Bibi is shopping around for someone's blessing and went to a nut job religous kook for it. That does not freak you out? To me this rabbi is no different than that Christian preacher who burned the koran. I would be angry if an American politician consulted him before a war why does this onjectionable Rav Ovadia Yosef - who holds real political power - gets a pass?

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:16:37pm

re: #78 researchok

Since you hate religious kooks, why not post these quotes?

Remember, he's not afraid of Iran. It's all about his fear level.

81 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:17:03pm

re: #76 Destro

Really?

Where did I do that?

In fact, I'm on record as being very careful to note the Arab world's biggest victims are Arabs themselves. They have been poisoned by hate by their leaders.

Come on, one day a week tell the truth

Only one day. I'll even let you pick the day. How's that?

82 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:18:15pm

re: #78 researchok

Since you hate religious kooks, why not post these quotes?

Those are suspect qoutes. Islam says whacky things but I doubt they allow for sex with animals.

83 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:18:50pm

re: #79 Destro

Again, how come you seem not to care about the likes of Hashemi Rafsanjani, a relgious and political leader?

You have yet to discuss that.

84 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:19:01pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, he's not afraid of Iran. It's all about his fear level.

You believe those are genuine quotes?

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:19:31pm

re: #79 Destro

Don't know. What I do know is Bibi is shopping around for someone's blessing and went to a nut job religous kook for it. That does not freak you out? To me this rabbi is no different than that Christian preacher who burned the koran. I would be angry if an American politician consulted him before a war why does this onjectionable Rav Ovadia Yosef - who holds real political power - gets a pass?

He doesn't get a pass. I could sit here all night listing grudges I have against Rav Ovadia. I've been bitching about him for a long, long time. But you're attributing far more importance to him in terms of his potential influence on Israel's future action re: Iran than he actually deserves.

And your feelings about the matter are about as relevent as mine--not at all.

86 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:20:05pm

re: #82 Destro

Oh, you've never heard of these?

Do you need a source?

87 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:21:48pm

re: #83 researchok

Again, how come you seem not to care about the likes of Hashemi Rafsanjani, a relgious and political leader?

You have yet to discuss that.

Your source is a bullshit source. You are now curveball level laughable.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Iran Press Service was an independent, private news gathering and disseminating service based in Paris, France. [1]

The agency has often published articles critical of the Iranian government, and is thought to be supported by exiles in Europe.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:22:42pm

re: #84 Destro

You believe those are genuine quotes?

Since they're internally contradictory, I suspect the first one, at least, is not, for at least two reasons.

But you've made it pretty clear it's all about your personal degree of feeling threatened.

89 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:23:16pm

re: #87 Destro

Why does where they publish make it a bullshit source?

And you do know there is a video of that as well, right?

90 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:25:23pm

re: #81 researchok

Really?

Where did I do that?

In fact, I'm on record as being very careful to note the Arab world's biggest victims are Arabs themselves. They have been poisoned by hate by their leaders.

Come on, one day a week tell the truth

Only one day. I'll even let you pick the day. How's that?

You forget what you write?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

91 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:25:52pm

re: #87 Destro

Do you need a source for the quotes.

And what about those Arabs under Iranian occupation? No comment from a smart guy like you?

And what about the treatment of the Baha'i?

For starters, you know.

92 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:27:00pm

re: #90 Destro

What the hell are you talking about?

Liar.

93 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:30:18pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

Since they're internally contradictory, I suspect the first one, at least, is not, for at least two reasons.

But you've made it pretty clear it's all about your personal degree of feeling threatened.

re: #78 researchok

Yea, the link I was sent to by researchok was claimed qoutes by Ayatollah Khomeini where he is describing Islamic laws about sex with animals.

I find that suspect. Don't you?

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:32:32pm

re: #93 Destro

re: #78 researchok

Yea, the link I was sent to by researchok was claimed qoutes by Ayatollah Khomeini where he is describing Islamic laws about sex with animals.

I find that suspect. Don't you?

Read what I wrote.

95 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:32:56pm

re: #92 researchok

What the hell are you talking about?

Liar.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

96 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:33:07pm

re: #93 Destro

Hey, I didn't publish this- and I was responding to the quotes YOU published.

If you insist on publishing quotes that denigrate a religion, why can't I do the same?

After all, you are an atheist who believes all religions all bullshit.

Right?

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:34:59pm

OK, we're down in the intractable spin zone again.

Enough for now.

98 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:35:06pm

re: #95 Destro

Yes,I was asking id what was published was factually incorrect.

For some odd reason you never directly responded.

99 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:36:38pm

re: #91 researchok

Do you need a source for the quotes.

And what about those Arabs under Iranian occupation? No comment from a smart guy like you?

And what about the treatment of the Baha'i?

For starters, you know.

What about Scientoligists banned in Germany? What doe sthat have to do with anything bit your weak pivot and attack.

100 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:39:07pm

re: #99 Destro

We aren't talking about Scientology in Germany.

We are talking about Iran.

LOL- you can't even get the pivot and attack thing right!

And now your just monkeying my remarks

101 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:41:25pm

And what about Iran’s occupied territories? What about those Ahwazi Arabs?

What about the treatment of the Bahais and gays in Iran?

Now for more pivot and attack...

Maybe you can come up with something of your own.

102 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:42:00pm

re: #96 researchok

Hey, I didn't publish this- and I was responding to the quotes YOU published.

If you insist on publishing quotes that denigrate a religion, why can't I do the same?

After all, you are an atheist who believes all religions all bullshit.

Right?

I am trying to fugure out what a book that maybe suspect in facts and talking about beastiality in the Islamic religion or Iran has to do with this conversation. I mean t hat is kind of vile of you to bring that up.

103 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:43:02pm

re: #101 researchok

And what about Iran’s occupied territories? What about those Ahwazi Arabs?

What about the treatment of the Bahais and gays in Iran?

Now for more pivot and attack...

Maybe you can come up with something of your own.

Iran has occupied territories? I hope all those Iranians get their human rights respected. I don't want to wage a war to do that for them though. I bring up Scientology because if we wage wars to free people oppressed in each country why ignore oppressed scientologists in Germany?

104 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:44:21pm

re: #102 Destro

What evidence do you have the book is suspect?

And what evidence do you have the Iran Press is not reliable?

Or do you consider only what the Iranians publish credible.

Like maybe they didn't kill Neda Sultan?

105 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:45:25pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Am I 'his side'? Or not?

You tell me.

106 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:46:55pm

re: #103 Destro

They are treated far more brutally than the Palestinians- and that is the best you can do- 'I hope all those Iranians get their human rights respected'?

Do you support Hamas?

And what about the treatment of the Bahai's and gays?

And women?

107 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:48:11pm

re: #76 Destro

I'm on record as not blaming Islam for the dysfunction Muslims live under.

Give us another pivot and attack and try again.

108 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:48:33pm

re: #106 researchok

They are treated far more brutally than the Palestinians- and that is the best you can do- 'I hope all those Iranians get their human rights respected'?

Do you support Hamas?

And what about the treatment of the Bahai's and gays?

And women?

Iran treats those minorities badly. I don't want to wage a war to free them. Suadi Arabia treats her Shia pretty badly also. And in Israel the Arabs in the occupied territories are treated badly also.

109 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:49:30pm

re: #102 Destro

You bring up vile quotes and expect no response?

What evidence do you have the book is suspect?

And what evidence do you have the Iran Press is not reliable?

Or do you consider only what the Iranians publish credible.

Like maybe they didn't kill Neda Sultan?

110 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:51:26pm

re: #108 Destro

More bullshit.

The Palestinians are treated far better than the persecuted minorities in Iran.

And the Palestinians have recourse to courts.

And the Palestinian leadership is waging a war against Israel.

The Bahai's are not .

Gays are not.

Women are not.

No magical balance fairy, sorry.

111 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:52:50pm

re: #109 researchok

You bring up vile quotes and expect no response?

As reported by the Israeli mainstream press. You pull some shit off google and treat it as a fact. I trust the journalistic integrity of Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post. Your sources are bullshit.

112 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:53:05pm

And by the way, the Ahwazis have been under occupation since 1925.

113 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:54:18pm

re: #111 Destro

Why are they bullshit?

Provide evidence of that, please.

Though I am gad you now concede Israeli sources are legitimate. This opens up a whole new avenue.

114 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:54:58pm

re: #110 researchok

More bullshit.

The Palestinians are treated far better than the persecuted minorities in Iran.

And the Palestinians have recourse to courts.

And the Palestinian leadership is waging a war against Israel.

The Bahai's are not .

Gays are not.

Women are not.

No magical balance fairy, sorry.

The religous kook Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says pretty vile things about Arabs, gays and women.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef bashes Israeli legal system, calling it ‘court of gentiles’

Shas’ spiritual leader cites acceptance of testimony from women and overturning of Tal Law as evidence that Israeli judges ‘hate the Torah.'

115 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:56:33pm

re: #113 researchok

Why are they bullshit?

Provide evidence of that, please.

Though I am gad you now concede Israeli sources are legitimate. This opens up a whole new avenue.

You are the kook that assumes I am anti-Israel rather than anti-likud anti religous extremist and how these 2 dangerous forces are trying to start a war with Iran. Get it now? I have nothing but respect for secular Israel outside of the occupied territories.

116 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:56:57pm

re: #114 Destro

Pivot and attack- gain

You first posted those vile quotes, so I will remind again of other vikle quotes- and since you hate religion so much, I know these will only buttress your feelings.

See this

Shall I post more for you?

117 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 10:57:58pm

re: #115 Destro

More pivot and attack bullshit

Has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Why are the sources provided bullshit?

Provide evidence of that, please.

Though I am gad you now concede Israeli sources are legitimate. This opens up a whole new avenue.

118 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:01:44pm

You know what is Ironic?

I have far more respect for Islam than you do.

More than you ever will.

You defend dysfunction. I defend victims of dysfunction.

To you, the ummah is fodder and chattel in defense of some of the most broken regimes in the history of mankind.

To me the ummah is unrealized potential, once freed from their chains.

I have nothing but pity for you.

119 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:04:13pm

re: #117 researchok

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The spiritual leader of Israel's ultra-orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, has provoked outrage with a sermon calling for the annihilation of Arabs.
"It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable," he was quoted as saying in a sermon delivered on Monday to mark the Jewish festival of Passover.

Through his influence over Shas, Israel's third largest political party, he is also a significant political figure.

As founder and spiritual leader of the political party Shas, Rabbi Yosef is held in almost saintly regard by hundreds of thousands of Jews of Middle Eastern and North African origin.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:04:18pm

re: #105 Destro

You tell me.

Nice try, but no. You brought it up, you try to define it.

121 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:05:31pm

re: #118 researchok

You know what is Ironic?

I have far more respect for Islam than you do.

More than you ever will.

You defend dysfunction. I defend victims of dysfunction.

To you, the ummah is fodder and chattel in defense of some of the most broken regimes in the history of mankind.

To me the ummah is unrealized potential, once freed from their chains.

I have nothing but pity for you.

I respect human rights and peace. You seem to blood lust for war and killing lots of Muslims till they are liberated. See Iraq. That was so great?

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:06:59pm

re: #114 Destro

The religous kook Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says pretty vile things about Arabs, gays and women.

Oh, I can provide you with MUCH better Rav Ovadia quotes than those.

But your initial premise for this thread is still bullshit.

123 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:07:03pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

Nice try, but no. You brought it up, you try to define it.

See #95 the link where he and his side are referenced.

124 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:07:13pm

re: #119 Destro

Do you really want to get into the quotes game?

Do you really want to go here?

Think hard before you answer.

Take a good look into the mirror, Take a really good look at yourself.

You shame your family, your community and yourself.

I really do pity you.

125 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:08:38pm

re: #124 researchok

Do you rally want to get into the quotes game?

Do you really want to go here?

Think hard before you answer.

Take a good look into the mirror, Take a really good look at yourself.

You shame your family, your community and yourself.

I really do pity you.

Why did you not condemn this rabbi and his political party?

126 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:10:50pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I can provide you with MUCH better Rav Ovadia quotes than those.

But your initial premise for this thread is still bullshit.

At least you almost condemn this Ovadia. But the mitigation is strong here. Damage control mode? I am glad Haaretz and JPost are reporting on these kooks in Shas and Bibi's links to them.

127 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:13:45pm

re: #126 Destro

LOLOL

But no concern with Ahmadenijad, Khameni, et all. One rabbi send you off the deep end but decades of hate and threats from Iran do not.

You truly are pitiful.

Give us another dance.

128 researchok  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:16:34pm

re: #126 Destro

And there is no more equivalence between Israel and Iran.

None whatsoever.

And on that note, I'm outta here.

I'll play again tomorrow.

Let me leave you with one thought:

You know what is Ironic?

I have far more respect for Islam than you do.

More than you ever will.

You defend dysfunction. I defend victims of dysfunction.

To you, the ummah is fodder and chattel in defense of some of the most broken regimes in the history of mankind.

To me the ummah is unrealized potential, once freed from their chains.

I have nothing but pity for you.

Like I said, take a good look in the mirror- take a really good look.

129 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:17:56pm

re: #127 researchok

LOLOL

But no concern with Ahmadenijad, Khameni, et all. One rabbi send you off the deep end but decades of hate and threats from Iran do not.

You truly are pitiful.

Give us another dance.

Iran is not in a military position to strike Israel. Iran has a weak military and could not defeat Saddam's Iraq whom the Iranians outnumbered.

Israel is a nuclear superpower that is threatening to start a war by attacking Iran.

130 Destro  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:21:21pm

re: #128 researchok

Funny that. You claim respect for Islam and are religious and you would be OK with Israel and or the USA attacking Iran and I assume OK with what we did to Iraq,

I don't respect Islam or religions and I am an atheist but I am against attacking Iran and what we did to Iraq.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:25:18pm

re: #126 Destro

At least you almost condemn this Ovadia. But the mitigation is strong here. Damage control mode? I am glad Haaretz and JPost are reporting on these kooks in Shas and Bibi's links to them.

Damage control? Just because you're wetting yourself over this doesn't make it important. As I have been telling you, I've been tracking Ovadia Yosef's career for a long time, and I know quite a bit about him. He's not news. Shas is not news. The fact that Shas in is the coalition with Likud (and now Kadima) is not news. And the conclusions you appear to be drawing from your apparent new discovery of him are...not particularly on-target.

It is not my job to 'denounce him' to your satisfaction. I've tried to explain some things to you about who he is and why he's significant to a certain point, and I've made it fairly clear what I think about him, on a number of levels. I don't vote in Israel, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't be a Shas voter. If you want to know more about my personal opinions of him, you can ask, but that would require you to care, rather than try to score cheap points in your endless game of Freak Out.

The way you write about this reveals either a deep failure to understand Israeli politics and society on any but the most superficial and agenda-driven level, or else a deep level of duplicity.

Sorry, Charlie.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 31, 2012 11:26:08pm

re: #130 Destro

Funny that. You claim respect for Islam and are religious and you would be OK with Israel and or the USA attacking Iran and I assume OK with what we did to Iraq,

That's part of your problem, Des. You don't ask people what they think. You assume.

133 Destro  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 8:41:56am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

That's part of your problem, Des. You don't ask people what they think. You assume.

Actually I know he was OK with what we did in Iraq, he was even defending the Bush admin over its Iraq policies.


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Deep Sea Diver - Impossible Weight Featuring Sharon Van Etten (Official Video) “Impossible Weight” off Deep Sea Diver’s new album “Impossible Weight” out October 16th. Pre-order /pre-save Impossible Weight here smarturl.it Distributed by ATO Records ~~~~~~~~~ Directors: Jessica Dobson, Peter Mansen, Tyler KalbergArt direction: Jessica Dobson, Tyler KalbergDirector of photography: Tyler ...
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Alicia Keys - Wasted Energy (Visualizer) Ft. Diamond PlatinumzAlicia Keys - ALICIA: smarturl.it Follow Alicia Keys:Instagram: instagram.comFacebook: facebook.comTwitter: @aliciakeysWebsite: aliciakeys.com #AliciaKeys #ALICIA #NewRnB
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Bobby Watson & Horizon — Post Motown Bop Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group The Punjab Of Java Po' · Bobby Watson & Horizon · Victor Lewis Post-Motown Bop ℗ A Blue Note Records Release; ℗ 1991 Capitol Records, LLC Released on: 1991-01-01 Producer, Co- Producer, ...
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Nick Mason’s Saucerful of Secrets - One of These Days (Live at the Roundhouse) Nick Mason’s Saucerful Of Secrets Live At The Roundhouse available now at smarturl.it Watch the trailer for the blu-ray smarturl.it‘Set the Controls For The Heart Of The Sun’ YouTube‘Fearless’ YouTube'Astronomy Domine' YouTube'Green Is The Colour' YouTube'See Emily Play' YouTube ...
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Future Islands - ‘Moonlight’ (Official Music Video) Future Islands’ new album 'As Long As You Are', released October 9th on 4AD. Listen to new tracks, pre-save and pre-order the album here: futureislands.ffm.to future-islands.cominstagram.com@futureislandsfacebook.com Credits:Director: Will MayerFemale Lead: Callie HernandezMale Lead: Matthew Gray Gubler Executive Producer: Alyssa ...
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The Mandalorian Season 2 Trailer ‘The Mandalorian’ season 2 trailer dropped Tuesday morning, bringing back the main trio Din Djarin aka the Mandalorian (Pedro Pascal), Cara Dune (Gina Carano), Greef Carga (Carl Weathers) and, of course, Baby Yoda! A hooded and mysterious new character, ...
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The Pineapple Thief - Versions of the Truth 'Versions Of The Truth” is the title track and third single to be taken from our new studio album which will be released on September 4th on Kscope. Pre-order: tpt.lnk.to Directed by George LaycockProduced by Blacktide Phonic/Visual Swimmers: Abi ...
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