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1 wheat-dogg  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 4:42:05am

Bloomberg's efforts have been all smoke and mirrors. Instead of addressing the underlying problems, he closed neighborhood schools that had been there for decades. The tests the kids take are not a reliable measure of what they have learned. Testing experts say so. Only a few charter schools consistently outperform the regular public schools. Most do no better.

Bloomberg has been "in charge" of the NYPS since 2002. He has no training as an educator, and the first few school chancellors he hired were also business, not education types. It's part of the "War on Teachers" and "War on Unions" movements that are going on nationwide now. And sadly, it's only the Republicans doing it.

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 6:16:36am

re: #1 wheatdogg

Bloomberg's efforts have been all smoke and mirrors. Instead of addressing the underlying problems, he closed neighborhood schools that had been there for decades. The tests the kids take are not a reliable measure of what they have learned. Testing experts say so. Only a few charter schools consistently outperform the regular public schools. Most do no better.

Bloomberg has been "in charge" of the NYPS since 2002. He has no training as an educator, and the first few school chancellors he hired were also business, not education types. It's part of the "War on Teachers" and "War on Unions" movements that are going on nationwide now. And sadly, it's not only the Republicans doing it.

Edit for accuracy, and its not a war. The teachers and their unions have been failing badly at their work, and such failures carry repercussions, even if it is not your fault (I offer myself as Exhibit 1 on that point). But the teachers and unions are in part to blame in this case, and there is a need to reform into an environment where cities have the flexibility they need to reward productive teachers and fire those who prove to be deadwood.

3 Sionainn  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 7:21:39am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Edit for accuracy, and its not a war. The teachers and their unions have been failing badly at their work, and such failures carry repercussions, even if it is not your fault (I offer myself as Exhibit 1 on that point). But the teachers and unions are in part to blame in this case, and there is a need to reform into an environment where cities have the flexibility they need to reward productive teachers and fire those who prove to be deadwood.

I keep hearing about how teachers unions (association in my state) have messed up education and I haven't seen one single bit of evidence to back up that assertion. In my school district, teachers can be and are fired. Just as it is in any large company, all it takes is documentation. Unfortunately, the administrators aren't doing their jobs, but teachers and their associations get the blame. Teachers unions/associations are there to bargain for teacher salaries and benefits and to ensure that they are not being fired for no good reason, something that is becoming increasingly necessary in this age of blame the teacher for everything.

So, please explain how teachers have been failing badly at their work.

4 Sionainn  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 7:23:02am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Edit for accuracy, and its not a war. The teachers and their unions have been failing badly at their work, and such failures carry repercussions, even if it is not your fault (I offer myself as Exhibit 1 on that point). But the teachers and unions are in part to blame in this case, and there is a need to reform into an environment where cities have the flexibility they need to reward productive teachers and fire those who prove to be deadwood.

And yeah, it's a "war" when you are a teacher and all you hear from the public and the media and the parents and the school district is how badly teachers are screwing everything up. Just like it's a "war on women" when women's rights are being jeopardized. Oh, yeah, it's war and some of us are going to fight back.

5 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 7:24:47am

Don't know what "school choice" means when you say it with a Yankee accent, but everyone here knows what it means in Alabama.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 10:10:24am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Edit for accuracy, and its not a war. The teachers and their unions have been failing badly at their work, and such failures carry repercussions, even if it is not your fault (I offer myself as Exhibit 1 on that point). But the teachers and unions are in part to blame in this case, and there is a need to reform into an environment where cities have the flexibility they need to reward productive teachers and fire those who prove to be deadwood.

It's not precisely a war, but it's a blame-based, ideologically driven attempt to solve a complicated set of problems without being honest about what they are.

The charters have been hailed by everyone as some sort of a magic compromise, but all they really are is nonunionized public schools. Some are great. A lot are even shoddier than the ones they 'replace'. Turns out that hiring teachers on at-will contracts leads to even more turnover--and usually not because teachers (who generally work as teachers for five years or less) are 'deadwood'.

7 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 3, 2012 11:06:59am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah but empty rhetoric fits nicely on a bumbersticker.


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