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1 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:39:55am

And the Catholic leaders are blaming it on "loyalist paramilitaries". Anyone want to bet on how long it takes Pam Geller's beloved English Defense League to show its hateful face in this mess.

2 Destro  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 8:46:45am

Riots often erupt during the summer months when Protestant groups hold traditional parades that are seen as provocative by nationalists, who want to be part of a united Ireland, and Catholics.

These parades are pretty much in celebration of the Protestant English invasion and conquest of the Catholic Irish.

The Parades are treated by the Protestants as religious processions but are really a celebration of colonial repression of Irish Catholics with a religiously tinged animus of them by the Protestants. I don't think Jesus would approve of the Protestant parades or the Catholic counter riotings but it is clear the Protestants are the ones doing the provoking.

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:15:15am

They still celebrate the Battle of the Boyne. When I studied Irish history in Ireland, the professor I had was from Belfast. Those parades when they do it through Catholic areas a means of provoking shit. Anyhow sucks to hear about violence because I had thought things were getting better.

4 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:22:24am

re: #2 Destro

Riots often erupt during the summer months when Protestant groups hold traditional parades that are seen as provocative by nationalists, who want to be part of a united Ireland, and Catholics.

These parades are pretty much in celebration of the Protestant English invasion and conquest of the Catholic Irish.

The Parades are treated by the Protestants as religious processions but are really a celebration of colonial repression of Irish Catholics with a religiously tinged animus of them by the Protestants. I don't think Jesus would approve of the Protestant parades or the Catholic counter riotings but it is clear the Protestants are the ones doing the provoking.

Concur. Not to say that Catholic organizations don't do nasty things in Northern Ireland, but groups like the Orangemen deliberately insult Catholics.

Those needing an analogy should ask how they would like it if Canadians demanded the right to parade near Detroit to commemorate their victory there in the War of 1812. Take the indignation that would arouse, multiply it by 3, and you'll have an idea of how offended Catholics are by those marches. They really should end. I'd say replace them with private ceremonies and reenactments of the battles in question (if possible for the latter).

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 2:33:36pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Concur. Not to say that Catholic organizations don't do nasty things in Northern Ireland, but groups like the Orangemen deliberately insult Catholics.

Those needing an analogy should ask how they would like it if Canadians demanded the right to parade near Detroit to commemorate their victory there in the War of 1812. Take the indignation that would arouse, multiply it by 3, and you'll have an idea of how offended Catholics are by those marches. They really should end. I'd say replace them with private ceremonies and reenactments of the battles in question (if possible for the latter).

Yep. Thing is The Troubles I think are too often viewed as a Catholic versus Protestant prism. But yeah it's obnoxious and they know it stirs up old feuds and do it anyhow. Anyhow, I always thought the Orangemen were a funny bunch for all their pride in being "British." After all William of Orange was a Dutchman and defeated a British king at the Boyne. Not that I really care about James II but that double standard always amused me and yes I know the reason for it was James II's Catholicism.

6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 2:48:19pm
7 dragonath  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 5:04:29pm

Not that the IRA is much better, but Loyalist slogans would look funny if they weren't so sick. "For GOD and Ulster" sounds kind of stupid when you're holding a Kalashnikov.

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8 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 9:20:52pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

They still celebrate the Battle of the Boyne. When I studied Irish history in Ireland, the professor I had was from Belfast. Those parades when they do it through Catholic areas a means of provoking shit. Anyhow sucks to hear about violence because I had thought things were getting better.

Things really are better, compared to what they used to be. But shit like this does flare up, especially around 'marching season', and in some neighborhoods. This sounds particularly bad.

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 4, 2012 11:12:53pm

re: #8 SanFranciscoZionist

Things really are better, compared to what they used to be. But shit like this does flare up, especially around 'marching season', and in some neighborhoods. This sounds particularly bad.

I still remember the photo book of Ireland that was published in the early 70's that my grandmother owned. Had some pictures of kids and the question "Will these kids be the first in their generation to know peace?" Really it just stinks because there has been too much tragedy.


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