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1 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 6:19:44am

A very well articulated and cogent argument against the GOP and the sheer lunacy it has come to incarnate. Good reading.

2 Destro  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 9:19:30am

This reminds me of an article David Frum wrote during the primary but points to futre behavior.

If Romney defeats Obama, we may get a more moderate GOP come back from the brink.

If Romney loses to Obama the GOP extreme wing will blame the GOP moderates and vice versa and an all out war will be fought to take over the GOP.

We can see the extremists kicked out of the GOP or we can see the moderates kicked out. The extremists would say the moderates were why they lost and moderates will claim the extremism was the reason Obama won.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

How tea party could drive GOP to disaster:

Possibility 1: Romney is nominated, Romney is elected.

From the point of view of non-tea party Republicans, this is the ideal outcome of the 2012 election. Yet it is also an outcome that looks worryingly out of reach. As we enter the final 12 months of the election countdown, Romney still cannot rise above 30% support in his own party. Worse, while it's easy to imagine (say) Herman Cain's voters shifting to Rick Perry or vice versa, it is very hard to imagine where Mitt Romney will find the additional Republican votes he needs.

Possibility 2: Romney is nominated, Romney loses.

For non-tea party Republicans, this second outcome opens all kinds of ugly, ominous possibilities. If candidate Romney loses, tea party Republicans will claim that the GOP lost because it failed to nominate a "true conservative." That claim may fly in the face of political math (how would a more extreme candidate win more votes?), but it will pack a lot of emotional punch. Intense partisans are always ready to believe that the way to win is to be more intense and more partisan. Back-to-back losses under John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 will open the way to an ultra-conservative nominee in 2016 -- and a true party debacle.

3 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 5:04:52pm

Let's face it...a huge chunk of today's GOP wants Nehemiah Scudder.

4 SteveMcG  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 8:37:29pm

re: #2 Destro

What on Earth leads anybody to believe the extremists can be "kicked out" of the GOP? First of all, you can't "kick" anybody out of any political party. Second of all, The GOP likes the wingnuts. They're great for fundraising.

5 Destro  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 8:43:09pm

re: #4 SteveMcG

What I mean is if a party loses they re-evaluate their ideology and see why it was rejected and how to change to win new elections.

If Romney loses the GOP will see a civil war between the moderates and the extremists. The moderates will claim the crazies drove voters away and the extremists will claim the moderates were rejected. That would be the internal civil war the GOp will go through. The crazies would win in my opinion.

6 jytdog  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 8:47:57pm

I-III are pretty darn good, should have stopped there. I will use them! IV-V, mostly just venting.

7 EiMitch  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 9:14:32pm

re: #5 Destro

If Romney loses the GOP will see a civil war between the moderates and the extremists.

Quick role-play: Its the first Austin Powers movie. You're Doctor Evil, and I'm Number Two.

*ahem* "That also already happened."

8 Bob Dillon  Sat, Sep 8, 2012 9:59:40pm

Dr. Jeffrey Pelt

[to Ryan] Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But it also means I keep my options open.

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In the overall scheme of things I do not think it matters who wins the election. The options are, do you prefer to be screwed by a right or left handed thread. Or, do you have the knowledge and ability to remove yourself from harms way financially & physically, and ride out the slow-mo global crisis that is impacting us all and will increase in tempo as food prices continue to rise, erratic weather, global instability, etc., - all beyond control of whomever is in the White House? We will find out if there is a QE3 or not on Monday. Either way we are hosed (except for the 1% who don't care who wins).


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