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1 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:08:31pm

Some personal observations on terror:

...terror is not brought on by poverty. Hostages are not taken and held, to be traded for economic aid. Planes aren’t flown into buildings in response to GDP of the free markets of the western world versus the GDP of the many tyrannies of the Muslim world.

Terrorists aims are deliberately misrepresented by those with agendas. The terrorists don’t want to see western values and successes brought into their world, because success lessens the hold they have on entire populations. The terrorists have much on common with the failed and dysfunctional leaders they claim to hate. They are fighting to prevent an empowered and educated population. Religious freedoms, individual rights and human rights are anathema to radical ideologies. Those ideologies demands the murder of those whose behavior they find offensive, best administered in a cruel and brutal fashion.

Terror has never had anything to do with economics or even politics, per se. Terror has always been about power and ideologies that the terrorists and their supporters and apologists want to impose. It is true that the terrorists will use the terms to distract from that reality, terms like ‘economic disadvantages’ or whatever else they believe will sound plausible as part of their justification for their outrage, but that is all for show. If they really cared about the politically and economically oppressed and disadvantaged, they would build businesses and fund opportunities. They would not build bombs and fund terror.

If the terrorists, their supporters and apologists really wanted to better the lives of their own, they would use America and the west as a model for success. They would not seek to destroy those countries. They would not seek to destroy the freedoms that brought that success.

Eliminating poverty does not and cannot change a mindset. Economic status does not determine morality and codes of conduct. Only values, born of dignity and the recognition that all men and women are of equal value, determines morality and codes of conduct. The ideologies, values and morals that are the lifeblood of free nations are ideologies, values and morals that drive people to exceed their potential for good.

The ideologies, values and moral that drive people to blind hate and to destroy are very different. Terror, the support of terror and identification with those who engage in or apologize for terror is driven by the ideologies, moralities and values of evil, period.

2 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:42:54pm

terrorists don’t want to see western values and successes brought into their world

Sinn Féin and the Irish Republican Army terrorists? Now hold elective office in a democratic system.

Israel's Lehi/Stern Gang terrorists? Israel is a democracy.

So your thesis is thus proven false with strawman arguments.

3 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:08:47pm

re: #2 Destro

"Terrorism” is a description of a means, a method of deliberately attacking or threatening to attack civilian targets in order to achieve political goals. “Freedom fighting” is a description of an end, as a freedom fighter’s goal is national liberation. An individual could participate in “terrorism” and “freedom fighting” simultaneously, because one word describes means, while the other describes ends. To say that a Palestinian suicide bomber is not condemnable as a terrorist because the bomber’s cause is national liberation is to argue that the end justifies the means.”

To be clear, the Palestinians may be fighting for a state, but they are not fighting for the western values of freedom, democracy and equal rights- all western values.

While the Arab Spring brought high hopes, they have a long way to go. the events of the last few days have made that abundantly clear.

The Israelis and Irish nationalists did go on to build viable, successful and free and democratic states.

Arab terrorists have succeeded only in more terror, subjugation of their own people and corruption. Their successes have resulted in entities that resemble Sudan and Somalia.

In other words, you once again highlight your own limited capacity to comprehend.

After today, it must be clear even to you that opinion is rapidly becoming rather widespread.

4 Destro  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:34:01am

re: #3 researchok

To be clear, the Palestinians may be fighting for a state, but they are not fighting for the western values of freedom, democracy and equal rights- all western values.

To be clear, terrorists have transitioned to democratic actors:

Sinn Féin and the Irish Republican Army terrorists? Now hold elective office in a democratic system.

Israel's Lehi/Stern Gang terrorists? Israel is a democracy.

So your thesis is thus proven false with strawman arguments.


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