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1 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:04pm

Romney is a smart guy. He's not evil, malicious or the devil incarnate.

He is surprisingly incompetent, given his business and prior political successes.

He has allowed himself to be surrounded by advisers who are sinking him all because they promised to deliver a broken and dysfunctional right wing religious base who have hijacked the conservative movement.

As a result he is coming off as a buffoon.

His own instincts would serve him better- he was elected governor in a Massachusetts, hardly a bastion of wingnuts. He did a good job by representing the best interests of his constituents as opposed to pandering to an ideological base (of cultivated nut jobs). He delivered Health Care Reform which covered thousand of previously uninsured (imperfect perhaps, but any reform will be imperfect) and did so in a single term.

I understand during an election season the object of the game is draw and quarter the opposition, but overall, Romney delivered in Massachusetts.

That is why it is disturbing to see him kowtow to the very crowd who will throw him to the wolves the first time they feel slighted and to write them checks he cannot cover.

I have my issues with Obama (mostly on the economy) but unlike Romney, he surrounds himself with smarter people and will stand up to the experts. And no, Obama is not the messiah, he is not perfect and he has made his fair share of mistakes.

The difference is Obama is trying to serve the best interests of the entire nation and not just a particular constituency. He s the president all Americans, not just his (at times idiotic) base.That alone makes him very different than Romney.

For that reason alone Obama is more worthy of the office.

2 TooManyJens  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:45pm

Good for Politifact, but this is hilarious:

"consulted experts on speechmaking and apologies"

JFC. How does one get certified as an expert on apologies, anyway? And do you really need one to figure out that Obama didn't go on an "apology tour"?

3 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:55:34pm

He didn't get knocked by the people he was talking to, who think Politifact is owned by Soros.

4 Locker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:59:42pm

Factcheck come in with a second strike.

Romney Gets It Backward
[Link: factcheck.org...]

Mitt Romney claims the Obama administration issued an “apology for American values” after U.S. embassies were attacked. Not true. Romney refers to a statement issued before mobs attacked either in Egypt or Libya, and faults U.S. diplomats for failing to condemn actions that hadn’t yet happened.

Furthermore, the word “sorry” or “apologize” doesn’t appear in the statement. Under the headline, “U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement,” the embassy in Cairo said, “Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy.”

Romney has falsely accused Obama of “apologizing for America” many times before. The line has been a dependable applause-getter with conservative audiences. But we found no basis for this claim in Obama’s previous speeches and remarks. And other fact-checkers came to similar conclusions.

5 Sophia77  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:58:52pm

Personally I see nothing wrong with condemning religious incitement.

Maybe Romney has a short memory and doesn't remember, back in the day, when Mormons were victims of people who didn't like their religion.

6 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:03:28pm

re: #2 TooManyJens

Good for Politifact, but this is hilarious:

"consulted experts on speechmaking and apologies"

JFC. How does one get certified as an expert on apologies, anyway? ...

Maybe Emily Post has been consulted?

[Link: www.emilypost.com...]

7 simoom  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 1:46:07am

Add an AP Factcheck to the above two as well:

FACT CHECK: Romney Misstates Facts On Attacks

WASHINGTON (AP) — The gunfire at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, had barely ceased when Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seriously mischaracterized what had happened in a statement accusing President Barack Obama of "disgraceful" handling of violence there and at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

"The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," Romney said in a statement first emailed to reporters at 10:09 p.m. Eastern time, under the condition it not be published until midnight.

In fact, neither a statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo earlier in the day nor a later statement from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered sympathy for attackers. The statement from the Cairo Embassy had condemned anti-Muslim religious incitement before the embassy walls were breached. In her statement, issued minutes before Romney's, Clinton had offered the administration's first response to the violence in Libya, explicitly condemning the attack there and confirming the death of a State Department official.

8 BishopX  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:49:05am

re: #1 researchok

I'v been watching Romney for a while (grew in MA while he was governor) and one of the things he struggles with is that he trusts percieved experts too much, which can leads to problems in areas where he has no first hand expereience. A good example of this was the I-90 tunnel collapse incident. A concrete cieling tile fell and killed a woman in a boston tunnel. The tile fell due to defects in the construction of the tunnel, part of the big dig. Romney sat down with some investigators and civil engineers for four hours, worked his way through what happened and then walked out and gave a presser about it, and got it right. It was one of the more impressive instances of leadership in his tenture as Governor.

But what would have happened if his experts were wrong? Not just a little bit off, but way off? As long as the theory presented to Romney was plausible and internally consistent he would have walked out of that room and royally screwed the pooch at a press conference.

Presidential candidates live in a bubble (Presidents even more so). If the people around Mitt are feeding him crap, he is going to endorse it whole heartedly. And that can be a big problem...


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