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1 Curt  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 6:13:58am
Oh, and by the way, the islands are near suspected undersea oil and gas reserves. Sound familiar?

Back in the 30s and early 40s, a two countries needed natural resources not native within their own borders.

One headed for SE Asia to control rubber and oil, the other to the Ukraine for oil...

And the rest is history.

Echos of the past: A desire for expansion, and a military capability built to achieve it, backed by the will of those nations (as defined by the 'leadership' and sold to the 'citizens').

Tell me why again why it's just OK for the Chinese to be building a Navy with amphibious assault ships, fleet oilers and logistics ships, nuclear submarines, attack and ballistic missile equipped, at a rate faster than we built headed for the 600 ship Navy during the Cold War? Oh: You say to protect their coast line? Right, keep believing that, like our DoS is thinking. Pardon me, I have to tune into the X Factor and then tell my kids to never, ever consider entering the US Military, but to make more YouTube video of senseless acts of talent to try to get that $mulimillion contract instead.

Oh, yeah...like other countries/nations/empires in much of history: In order to secure, not via agreed to commercial contracts, but by force of arms, that which they need to fuel what ever internal need...and/or to ensure the "competition" (in this context, "enemy") doesn't have access to it.

Just sayin'.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:49:30am

re: #1 Curt

If we yell at China for building up its navy, we'll just be told to fuck off. If we wish to oppose them by building more ships and increasing our force levels in the region, that might have an effect.

3 jogiff  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 1:28:57pm

re: #1 Curt

Back in the 30s and early 40s, a two countries needed natural resources not native within their own borders.

One headed for SE Asia to control rubber and oil, the other to the Ukraine for oil...

Tell me why again why it's just OK for the Chinese to be building a Navy with amphibious assault ships, fleet oilers and logistics ships, nuclear submarines, attack and ballistic missile equipped, at a rate faster than we built headed for the 600 ship Navy during the Cold War?

I'm pretty sure China is allowed to do what it wants with its navy. It's not like we can just tell them to stop becoming powerful. Further, this isn't a case of China just wanting to take territory from helpless ol' Japan. Japan has repeatedly grabbed any islands not explicitly claimed by China or Korea and expanded their EEZ beyond reason. One of the best examples of this is Okinotorishima, an atoll with an EEZ 50,000 times larger than this island itself.

4 Curt  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 10:03:55pm

re: #3 jogiff

I'm pretty sure China is allowed to do what it wants with its navy. It's not like we can just tell them to stop becoming powerful. Further, this isn't a case of China just wanting to take territory from helpless ol' Japan. Japan has repeatedly grabbed any islands not explicitly claimed by China or Korea and expanded their EEZ beyond reason. One of the best examples of this is Okinotorishima, an atoll with an EEZ 50,000 times larger than this island itself.

The larger point is not that they can't it's that we are strategically downsizing, while saying we have interests in that part of the world...

Look at it as not that they can't do it, but that a nation is gearing it's military might to have functionality beyond what they claim their national objectives are. Given few nations ever really say what they are up to, that's my point: A force projection maritime force is being built. And yes, they are working on figuring out how to use their first aircraft carrier (pragmatically, that is - flying at sea is no walk in the park). Land bases, when you have them, save the cost of building mobile ones....

Getting the picture? How shall we respond? Like DF says: Build back at them...oh, wait! we'll soon be cutting the Pentagon's budget to the bone, so we can pay for other stuff (no specified in The Constitution).


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