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1 Gus  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 8:48:42am

If true, this is starting to look like a clear case of incitement.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 8:55:21am

Bringing up the question: If you are a journalist, and someone else has exercised their free speech in a way that can be considered dangerous, do you have the duty to pass it along, or should you ignore it?

I'm thinking of all the press covering the non-Koran burnings of Terry Jones.

Part of my thinking here is the question of whether or not you think the item in question contains truth.

3 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:00:46am

See: Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics

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4 researchok  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:01:18am

re: #1 Gus

For the first day and half, it was presumed this was an Israeli funded film.

So how come the protests were directed at the American Embassies? And on 9/11, no less?

From where I sit, this whole film event was a pretext.

The entire event was contrived.

And succeeded, from the AQ POV.

5 researchok  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:04:47am

re: #3 CuriousLurker

Poll after poll highlight the low regard in which journalists are held.

The Code of Ethics for Journalists has become a fungible commodity.

That's why we have fact checkers- journalists don't/won't do the job anymore.

6 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:20:26am

re: #4 researchok

For the first day and half, it was presumed this was an Israeli funded film.

So how come the protests were directed at the American Embassies? And on 9/11, no less?

In my personal experience, there are a significant number of Muslims (especially from overseas) who don't think there's really any daylight between the U.S. and Israel. This means that believing 9/11 to be a joint false flag operation designed to make Muslims look bad isn't a stretch for said people.

Note that I'm not saying it wasn't contrived, I'm simply saying that it being contrived wouldn't rule out the presence of other motives, especially when those things can be used for cover as they were in the beginning.

7 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:23:28am

re: #5 researchok

Poll after poll highlight the low regard in which journalists are held.

The Code of Ethics for Journalists has become a fungible commodity.

That's why we have fact checkers- journalists don't/won't do the job anymore.

Yes, well call me naive, but I still believe there are journalists out there who care about ethics. Anyway, she was asking about ethical standards, not de facto behavior. At least that's how I understood her question.

8 researchok  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 9:50:20am

re: #7 CuriousLurker

Hey, I'm with you- I have no doubt there are some very good reporters out there, but when newspapers have their own fact checkers separate and distinct from their own reporters, we have a problem.

9 Gus  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 10:51:30am

re: #4 researchok

For the first day and half, it was presumed this was an Israeli funded film.

So how come the protests were directed at the American Embassies? And on 9/11, no less?

From where I sit, this whole film event was a pretext.

The entire event was contrived.

And succeeded, from the AQ POV.

Question or point. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see religious extremists in the USA working in hand with AQ in order to incite a religious war. Both of course intent on their own specific goals. A bit like two opposing scorpions working together.

10 researchok  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:10:07am

re: #9 Gus

Well, the good news is at least here, the nut jobs are pretty marginalized, notwithstanding Geller's hyperbole.

Violent whack jobs here will be more than likely turned by their own communities. We've seen that numerous times.

That said, your point is well taken. There are enough 'lone wolf' or small cell nut jobs who fly below the radar and who can do enormous damage if not in the physical sense, certainly in the PR sense.

Look at the ME a few days after the events,

It is no coincidence the 'spontaneous' chants were 'We're 10 million Osamas" and the Egyptian MB is saying one thing in English and another in Arabic.

I could go on but you get the point.

Real change is feared by all- better the devil you know than the devil you don't. And power- real change upsets the balance of power- not an appealing condition in the corrupt ME.

Same players, different costumes, new script.

Back to the drawing board.

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 16, 2012 11:47:00am

re: #8 researchok

Hey, I'm with you- I have no doubt there are some very good reporters out there, but when newspapers have their own fact checkers separate and distinct from their own reporters, we have a problem.

Perhaps part of that trend is to help reporters maintain their access. Many leaders in business and politics today have press organizations that simply won't grant access to a reporter they think will make the leader look bad. By separating the fact-checking duties from the reporting, a newspaper can still do its job reasonably correctly while maintaining its reporters' access.


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