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1 Buck  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:16:53am

Doesn't your link say that out of 963, they "found 54 have a voting history and have voted a total of 95 times".


How does that work out to be a grand total of four?

2 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:38:26am

Last paragraph in the article:

After that contest, Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer filed a Freedom of Information Act with Johnson's office to see how many noncitizens were caught voting in the GOP primary. Johnson's office said four of the 1.2 million may have been noncitizens, according to Brewer.

3 Buck  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:50:38am

Ok, but now there is new evidence. The first comment was the number of people were caught.

This is the number who were NOT caught.

If I asked you how many people drive more than 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, it would not be accurate to answer with how many were CAUGHT.

4 Buck  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:59:55am

In fact the whole voter ID law concept is to give the authorities a tool that they will use to catch the people who are not qualified, according to the law, to vote.

To point out that the authorities do not catch very many "undocumented" voters and then deny them the only tool they could have to be able to identify them is really frustrating.

5 andres  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:50:16am

Voter ID laws try to solve a non existent problem (namely, voter fraud). In this case, it is design to prevent a 0.000175% of possible voter fraud.

Their real purpose, is to suppress possible Democratic voters.

6 Buck  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:47:54am

The 0.000175% stat is probably based on people who are caught, not the actual number of people committing it.

7 andres  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:03:59am

re: #6 Buck

The 0.000175% stat is probably based on people who are caught, not the actual number of people committing it.

It's based on the actual number of people who have voted that may not have been eligible to vote and voted divided by the total votes casted on the last election cycle.

8 EiMitch  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:04:14am
...after Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed legislation adding the question to absentee and in-person voting applications.

Flying pig moment. Snyder actually made the right decision for a change. Though I'm willing to bet he did it for the wrong reasons.

The estimate is based on the state’s access to citizenship information for one-fifth of the population, Johnson said, adding the federal government won’t give her access to more citizenship data.

(emphasis added)

Um, need more data before drawing a conclusion? Oh, thats rights. Its the feds fault. So until that bureaucratic hoo-ha is sorted out, they'll have to drop the... No wait! There's gotta be a way to push this issue in time for the election.

Using census estimates that 305,000 noncitizens live in Michigan, Johnson’s office extrapolated that 5,064 could be noncitizens and then lowered its estimate to 4,000 to account for children, spokeswoman Gisgie Gendreau said.

(emphasis added)

An estimate of an estimate adjusted by a blind guess. That absolutely justifies voter ID laws. /sarc

I f***ing hate my state right now.


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