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1 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:53:11am

Gotta be deliberate ignorance. I think he was just using a phrase he heard somewhere without knowing or caring about its historical/theological context. Remember, this is a guy who also claims to be an admirer of Ayn Rand, even though nearly everything about his political philosophy is exactly the opposite of Rand's, except the rapacious selfism.

Like a lot of right wing ideologues, his real knowledge of the subjects about which he spouts off is about a micron deep.

2 Destro  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:54:44am

Ryan’s perhaps inadvertent endorsement of Deism is inconsistent with both Catholicism and Atheism (the view of his intellectual heroine, Ayn Rand). But since logical inconsistency would be more troubling than simple ignorance, perhaps it would be most charitable to charge Ryan only with the latter.


I kind of think Republicans make up stuff as they go forward to sort of justify their ideology. They have an agenda and look for ways to sell that agenda to the base and if they have to adopt from t his religion or that ideology to make it sound plausible they will. The GOP is doing this to fool its base and others?

3 Destro  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 11:57:44am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Gotta be deliberate ignorance. I think he was just using a phrase he heard somewhere without knowing or caring about its historical/theological context. Remember, this is a guy who also claims to be an admirer of Ayn Rand, even though nearly everything about his political philosophy is exactly the opposite of Rand's, except the rapacious selfism.

Like a lot of right wing ideologues, his real knowledge of the subjects about which he spouts off is about a micron deep.

You can literally find dozens of Youtube videos of Republican embracing a position their own ideology should say is contradictory.

Here: Michael Steele Contradicts Himself On The GOP's Extreme Rhetoric

4 philosophus invidius  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 1:46:51pm

The idea of there being Laws of Nature is a very traditional Christian idea found in Aquinas etc. These are the moral laws that we don't need divine revelation to know about. (Now we might call them "human rights.") When Nolan used the same expression from the D of I--"the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God"--in his benediction at the Democratic convention, he was not being a Deist. Deists would differ from Catholics by claiming that all laws are natural. But they would also believe the additional stuff as indicated in the SEP article you quote.

What is much more surprising to me is that Republicans want to elect a honest-to-goodness polytheist as President.

5 JEA62  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 2:46:30pm

No, Ryan's not a deist - this is a "dog whistle" phrase designed to appeal to the Christian dominionists who believe Christians - and ONLY Christians - should control government and society.

6 Tigger2005  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 5:03:01pm

Deism made more sense in Jefferson's day, but I have little doubt he would have evolved into an atheist had he been exposed to modern physics and the theory of evolution.

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 5:07:11pm

re: #6 Tigger2005

Deism made more sense in Jefferson's day, but I have little doubt he would have evolved into an atheist had he been exposed to modern physics and the theory of evolution.

There were atheists in the eighteenth century. And a man as invested in the French Revolution as Jefferson was was hardly unaware of them.

8 Achilles Tang  Sun, Sep 30, 2012 5:55:03pm

re: #5 JEA62

No, Ryan's not a deist - this is a "dog whistle" phrase designed to appeal to the Christian dominionists who believe Christians - and ONLY Christians - should control government and society.

Ryan is just another example of cognitive dissonance; or perhaps cognitive exploitation.

9 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 5:18:12am

No.


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