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1 Mattand  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 4:40:15pm

Because we don't have enough fucking guns in this country as it is.

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 4:55:33pm

He is correct that the firearm, if not for interstate sales, is perfectly legal for him to make in his home. The only reason the company has any possible legal leg to stand on is that it's leased. It would be interesting to see what a lawyer would make of the lease terms, however.

The prices of these printers have been dropping quite rapidly, however, and it won't be long before individuals can buy them outright. Add a small lathe like this [Link: www.harborfreight.com...] for $499 to make pistol sized barrels and you're set.

3 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 5:12:29pm

re: #1 Mattand

This will not change the gun making capacity more than a fraction of a %. I would not worry about 3d printing, Colt and S&W can make hundreds a day.

4 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:11:21pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

He is correct that the firearm, if not for interstate sales, is perfectly legal for him to make in his home.

It is illegal under 18 USC Sec. 922

(p)(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture,
import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any
firearm -
(A) that, after removal of grips, stocks, and magazines, is not
as detectable as the Security Exemplar, by walk-through metal
detectors calibrated and operated to detect the Security
Exemplar; or
(B) any major component of which, when subjected to inspection
by the types of x-ray machines commonly used at airports, does
not generate an image that accurately depicts the shape of the
component. Barium sulfate or other compounds may be used in the
fabrication of the component.

An all plastic gun with no metallic parts would certainly violate this section and be designated as an "Undectable" firearm. Because of hijacking fears the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 added this amendment to the USC.

5 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:19:43pm

"Or other compounds". The secret here is the plastics show up just fine on x-ray. Hence it's not "undetectable" and so is not covered under the amendment in question. Yet another "feel good" law so that congress could pretend they'd done something.

6 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:41:41pm

re: #5 William Barnett-Lewis

"Or other compounds". The secret here is the plastics show up just fine on x-ray. Hence it's not "undetectable" and so is not covered under the amendment in question. Yet another "feel good" law so that congress could pretend they'd done something.

Actually they are suggesting the addition of Barium Sulfate to plastic compounds as a radiocontrast agent, which is one of it's primary uses. The standard liquid polymers used in stereolithography machines are not especially radiopaque and do not show up very well at all on most x-rays.

Besides which an all plastic gun would still fail the first section (A) by not being detectable by metal detectors so whether or not it shows on X-ray is a moot point.

7 Mattand  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 8:08:26am

re: #3 Daniel Ballard

This will not change the gun making capacity more than a fraction of a %. I would not worry about 3d printing, Colt and S&W can make hundreds a day.

I know. My point is, of all the projects that could developed with 3D printing, these guys went for the one thing that we don't need more of: weapons. Particularly in the US.

8 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 9:38:32am

re: #7 Mattand

I know. My point is, of all the projects that could developed with 3D printing, these guys went for the one thing that we don't need more of: weapons. Particularly in the US.

But it's one of the inevitable options. Pretty much nothing is purely good or bad, and the more flexible a tool is the more that is true.

I don't think anyone, not even the most ardent fans, have a solid guess or prediction of the effects of 3d printers in the next couple of decades. I begin to think the best guesses are those which start with "anything your imagination can develop that's smaller than a loaf of bread and contains no exotic materials, overnight."

9 Mattand  Tue, Oct 2, 2012 10:47:35am

re: #8 kirkspencer

But it's one of the inevitable options. Pretty much nothing is purely good or bad, and the more flexible a tool is the more that is true.

I don't think anyone, not even the most ardent fans, have a solid guess or prediction of the effects of 3d printers in the next couple of decades. I begin to think the best guesses are those which start with "anything your imagination can develop that's smaller than a loaf of bread and contains no exotic materials, overnight."

You're right. It's just that these guys sat down and said "What can we do with this wonderful new technology? I know! Let's develop another way for people to kill one another!"

You are correct it was going to happen sooner or later. To me, it's just one more example of our country's borderline suicidal obsession for guns.


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