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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:10:21am

To put conditions on aid to Egypt is not to attack Egypt or even threaten to do so. It is to refuse to subsidize a government if that government becomes hostile to us. To be assertive in Syria is not to say we'll put troops on the ground, no one is suggesting that. And to tighten sanctions against Iran may increase the chance of conflict, but it will be conflict of Iran's making, via their insistence on developing nuclear weapons.

All in all, Destro's summation is just more of his typical hostile, anti-American inference.

2 lostlakehiker  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:42:58am

What's more, it is simply not true that no sons or daughters of the 1 percent have died in Iraq or Afghanistan. Doctors, drand colonels, col have ben killed.

Prince Harry is alive, and he's not American. But he's served in Afghanistan. This war is far from being a matter of poor, ill-educated yokel cannon fodder thrown to the wolves.

And let's not forget those who died on day 1 of this war. A whole bunch of generals at the Pentagon, and surely hundreds of one-percenters in the WTC. Maybe a thousand. And then there's Daniel Lewin, founder of Akamai, who was killed resisting the hijacking of the first plane to hit the towers. In other words, the very first KIA of the war was a top 1 percenter.

3 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 5:33:29pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To put conditions on aid to Egypt is not to attack Egypt or even threaten to do so. It is to refuse to subsidize a government if that government becomes hostile to us. To be assertive in Syria is not to say we'll put troops on the ground, no one is suggesting that. And to tighten sanctions against Iran may increase the chance of conflict, but it will be conflict of Iran's making, via their insistence on developing nuclear weapons.

All in all, Destro's summation is just more of his typical hostile, anti-American inference.

You're stuck back in 2003. A potential GOP president wants a more belligerent foreign policy in the ME, despite the unpopularity and lack of success of our adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. (After all, Romney doesn't sound much different from Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al.) And all you've got to fall back on is calling him anti-American. It is NOT anti-American to oppose use of military power in certain circumstances. Life isn't an episode of 24.

4 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 5:42:37pm

re: #2 lostlakehiker

What's more, it is simply not true that no sons or daughters of the 1 percent have died in Iraq or Afghanistan. Doctors, drand colonels, col have ben killed.

Prince Harry is alive, and he's not American. But he's served in Afghanistan. This war is far from being a matter of poor, ill-educated yokel cannon fodder thrown to the wolves.

And let's not forget those who died on day 1 of this war. A whole bunch of generals at the Pentagon, and surely hundreds of one-percenters in the WTC. Maybe a thousand. And then there's Daniel Lewin, founder of Akamai, who was killed resisting the hijacking of the first plane to hit the towers. In other words, the very first KIA of the war was a top 1 percenter.

Of course you can always find exceptions. There are even a few members of Congress who have kids fighting in the ME. But the people on the planes didn't volunteer to put their lives on the line. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time...same with the generals in the Pentagon and the street vendors outside the WTC who died from flying debris. Bringing class into the discussion on that level, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground, makes no sense. And if you think that 9/11 was the first day in the War in Iraq, you've got a pretty loose sense of logical connections. (But, hey, keep on repeating those 2003 talking points...they've served your party so well over the last decade--the wars are just sooooo popular now and "Mission Accomplished!")

If Destro had said that the Americans who get killed in our wars tend to be poor and working class, could you really deny that?

5 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:11:08pm

re: #4 palomino

Of course you can always find exceptions. There are even a few members of Congress who have kids fighting in the ME. But the people on the planes didn't volunteer to put their lives on the line. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time...same with the generals in the Pentagon and the street vendors outside the WTC who died from flying debris. Bringing class into the discussion on that level, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground, makes no sense. And if you think that 9/11 was the first day in the War in Iraq, you've got a pretty loose sense of logical connections. (But, hey, keep on repeating those 2003 talking points...they've served your party so well over the last decade--the wars are just sooooo popular now and "Mission Accomplished!")

If Destro had said that the Americans who get killed in our wars tend to be poor and working class, could you really deny that?

But he didn't say that, palomino. What he said was that the current war has claimed no one from the top 1% and as LLH demonstrated, that isn't true. Moreover, it is not that 9/11 was the first day of Operation Iraqi Freedom, but that OIF was part of the larger conflict that began in earnest on 9/11.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:47:38pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

To put conditions on aid to Egypt is not to attack Egypt or even threaten to do so. It is to refuse to subsidize a government if that government becomes hostile to us. To be assertive in Syria is not to say we'll put troops on the ground, no one is suggesting that. And to tighten sanctions against Iran may increase the chance of conflict, but it will be conflict of Iran's making, via their insistence on developing nuclear weapons.

All in all, Destro's summation is just more of his typical hostile, anti-American inference.

It sounds like he wants us to get seriously involved in Syria. And if Obama were pushing for that, the GOP would scream against it.

The rest I'm less concerned about--in part, of course, because I still don't expect to see him win, and even less, if he wins, do I expect him to remember he said any of this.

7 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:51:51pm

I'm go for launch on wiping out the Assad regime at this point. Couple of 2000 pounder JDAMs every 20 minutes would be good for a start. Pick sides later.

8 palomino  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 12:21:52am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

But he didn't say that, palomino. What he said was that the current war has claimed no one from the top 1% and as LLH demonstrated, that isn't true. Moreover, it is not that 9/11 was the first day of Operation Iraqi Freedom, but that OIF was part of the larger conflict that began in earnest on 9/11.

Destro exaggerated...and yes, a few people in the top 1% died. But that's a focus on minutaie and it misses the forest for the trees. His point was quite clear--that the Americans who get killed in our wars tend to be poor and working class.

How long would Iraq and Afghanistan have lasted if middle and upper class kids were getting drafted to fight? If Americans had really been asked to sacrifice for these war efforts, how long would they have gone on. Of course we avoided that whole stickey situation by hiring mercenaries, using stop loss programs, and way too many tours of duty for many of our all-volunteer force. They deserved better.

9 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:50:38pm

re: #8 palomino

Destro exaggerated...and yes, a few people in the top 1% died. But that's a focus on minutaie and it misses the forest for the trees. His point was quite clear--that the Americans who get killed in our wars tend to be poor and working class.

How long would Iraq and Afghanistan have lasted if middle and upper class kids were getting drafted to fight? If Americans had really been asked to sacrifice for these war efforts, how long would they have gone on. Of course we avoided that whole stickey situation by hiring mercenaries, using stop loss programs, and way too many tours of duty for many of our all-volunteer force. They deserved better.

Conscription really isn't a viable option for the US anymore. 'Normal' conscription produces troops of too inconsistent a quality to do what is required of our soldiers today (especially given America's obesity problems, though the sustained focus that issue is getting should reduce it in time). And at present our society is too polarized and fragile to stand the strain of mass mobilization. I honestly can't see America resorting to the draft again.


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