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1 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:19:20pm

David, it's the other way around. At least where you and those like you are concerned,

2 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:29:45pm

Barton can continue to dream on as much as he would like, but its not going to happen, science is actually getting farther and farther away from what the the Bible says. Over the past half century, not once has any scientist given us any good reason to think the Earth isn't billions of years old or that all life on the planet was created in an instant. Things like conversion therapy for homosexuals has been shown not to work, giving us very good reason to think that Homosexuality isn't a choice after all, and abstinence only education has been shown to be ineffective in getting people to not engage in sexual activity before marriage.

3 nines09  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:49:35pm

Truth will eventually catch up to David Barton.

4 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:54:39pm

and next year the Nobel prize for Medicine will be given to the researchers who show that doves are an effective treatment for leprosy.

Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly away. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally find another pair of birds. Kill one and dip the live bird in the dead bird’s blood. Wipe some blood on the patient’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle the house with blood 7 times.
– Leviticus 14:2-52

RBS

5 palomino  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:21:13pm

Will science catch up to the earth being the center of the universe, or that all species on the planet fit into a large boat, or that women are inherently inferior and should always submit to their men.

The Bible: world's greatest science book. In my ass.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 8:07:35pm

David, when Jesus said 'you are the salt of the earth', he did not mean 'I have special insight into the specific health benefits of a moderate amount of salt'. It's a metaphor.

Similarly, when he turned the water into wine at Cana, he was not predicting that study that said that red wine is good for your heart.

These are religious teachings, you idiot, not commentaries on modern science. By trying to make one the other, you demonstrate that you understand neither.

7 cinesimon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 8:20:05pm

I can't help but wonder if this guy isn't an extremely committed atheist, dedicated to irreversibly destroying the religious right's credibility, even for those who desperately want to believe that the priority of their 'church' must be to impose their supremacy over others.

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 8:33:37pm

The convenient part is that the Bible says hardly anything at all about science. You can occasionally glimpse something about the world view and grasp on science of the culture described (I once read a quite fascinating piece in...wait for it...The Watchtower...piecing together the concept of the water cycle, as it's discussed in passing in Biblical sources.)

All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

But the Bible rarely states something that could be considered a scientific fact, correct or incorrect. Aside from the creation account, which has been considered metaphorical by countless generations of interpreters, the interests of the text are History, Society, Law and Ethics.

Gould isn't kidding about non-overlapping magisteria. The Bible says little about science, because it's not science, and doesn't intend to be.

Hence, when you try to play this game Barton is playing, you have little misinformation to explain away. The Bible does not say "the Earth is flat", or "only men have seed, women just incubate the baby", or "eclipses are caused by a wolf swallowing the sun". Any scientific 'information' you may identify will be couched in bizarre interpretations of random statements that are clearly not about science but about faith. This makes it a lot easier.

9 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 8:52:58pm

He's a bit late - science DID catch up to the Bible, many thousand years ago, and has left it in the dust ever since.

Maybe he means science will lap the Bible again for the 150,000th time on the race track.

10 lostlakehiker  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:34:32pm

re: #9 SidewaysQuark

He's a bit late - science DID catch up to the Bible, many thousand years ago, and has left it in the dust ever since.

Maybe he means science will lap the Bible again for the 150,000th time on the race track.

Science has not caught up to the Bible across the board. There are endless observations in the Bible about humanity that may, perhaps, have a scientific basis. But we haven't got there yet.

Take the matter of Proust's literary observation that smell ties in to memory in a way that the other senses do not. This has now been scientifically established. On this one point, science has caught up to literature after just a century or so.

The deeper observations on human nature that may be mined from the pages of the Bible may, some of them, be wrong. Or maybe the miner got the wrong impression. But I reckon on balance they're closer to true than false, and science will eventually catch up to growing fraction of them. But it won't be quick and it won't be easy.

11 Origuy  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:37:02pm

And then it will catch up with the Qur'an, the Upanishads, the Popul Vul, and the Poetic Eddas.

12 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:25:52am

re: #10 lostlakehiker

Science has not caught up to the Bible across the board. There are endless observations in the Bible about humanity that may, perhaps, have a scientific basis. But we haven't got there yet.

Take the matter of Proust's literary observation that smell ties in to memory in a way that the other senses do not. This has now been scientifically established. On this one point, science has caught up to literature after just a century or so.

The deeper observations on human nature that may be mined from the pages of the Bible may, some of them, be wrong. Or maybe the miner got the wrong impression. But I reckon on balance they're closer to true than false, and science will eventually catch up to growing fraction of them. But it won't be quick and it won't be easy.

Considering that the Bible's argument is that 'God did it!', I fail to see the point of using it in such a way.

13 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:48:20am

"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."- Thomas Aquinas

14 TDG2112  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:52:31am

Using logic with these people is a waste of time. They need to be drowned out by getting science WRITE LARGE in the daily media. What better way to do that than with a space program? With a person in the story (that is a manned program).

But right now we need to get the Planetary Exploration program off the chopping block:
[Link: secure3.convio.net...]

Neal deGrasse Tyson explaining it to Congress:

15 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:13:49am

re: #10 lostlakehiker

Science has not caught up to the Bible across the board. There are endless observations in the Bible about humanity that may, perhaps, have a scientific basis. But we haven't got there yet.

Take the matter of Proust's literary observation that smell ties in to memory in a way that the other senses do not. This has now been scientifically established. On this one point, science has caught up to literature after just a century or so.

The deeper observations on human nature that may be mined from the pages of the Bible may, some of them, be wrong. Or maybe the miner got the wrong impression. But I reckon on balance they're closer to true than false, and science will eventually catch up to growing fraction of them. But it won't be quick and it won't be easy.

The Bible doesn't do any better at discerning "human nature" than a weekly horoscope. Anything in the Bible that has anything to do with science has been left in the dirt millennia ago.


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