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1 thecommodore  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:45:14pm

Actually bad on her. It is good that she exposed how is really just a crank, but why give a crank like that a platform in the first place?

For ratings, that's why. It's also why Erick Erickson and Dana Loesch - two of the most deranged commentators out there are paid contributors. I mean really now, is this how a news organizatjon that wants to be taken seriously ehaves?

*Sigh* it's o wonder their ratings still suck balls. But they lught to buck the trend of ideologically based "news" (Fox and MSNBC) and actually do real reporto g.

And send theae morons packing. You don't have to givw a voice to these crackpots in order to give conservativea a fair shake. You give real same conservatives a fair shake by exposing the idiocy Erickson, Loeach et al have been foisting for more than 20 years now...

off thw soapbox now, but thia shit really pisses me off.

2 Destro  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:57:18pm

re: #1 thecommodore

I understand where you are coming from - don't give the haters a platform - but this group needs to be exposed.

This "Hilter was evil because of gay stormtroopers" theme was in the underground of the right wing for almost 2 decades.

I first saw it used by the rightwing in the 1990s.

This went unchallenged for 20 years till in many way it almost became mainstream thought.

We need to challenge the BS stuff the right says right away and often before their made up BS takes a life of its own.

3 Genshed  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:17:01pm

Historically incorrect. There WERE homosexual men in the Sturmabteilung, almost all of whom were purged after the Night of the Long Knives. The Schutzstaffel was the elite guard who replaced the blue-collar SA, and they were not receptive to homosexuality.

4 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:29:01pm

Fischer is on the Al Capone plan- 'Just spell my name right'. From where he sits, any media exposure is good.

Now the SOB can assume the Christian martyr role.

There are Christians and believer of every stripe who do good works, every day.

Bryan Fischer and the AFA cannot be counted among them.

5 SpikeDad  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:20:03pm

re: #1 thecommodore

*Sigh* it's o wonder their ratings still suck balls. But they lught to buck the trend of ideologically based "news" (Fox and MSNBC) and actually do real reporto g.
.

I don't want to let this go. Equating the Republican driven and driving Fox News with the liberal leaning MSNBC is false equivalency. First of all, Fox would get much less crap if they had someone as brilliant and incisive as Rachel Maddow. I"ve never heard any report by here than wasn't backed up by mountains of evidence. And, contrary to ANYONE on Fox, she has retracted and/or corrected items when she was wrong.

Second, guess you missed the Joe Scarborough, that shrill right-wing bozo which MSNBC insists on giving a 3 HOUR SHOW - I assume to balance out the truthfulness of the evening lineup.

So please don't make the mistake of lumping these guys together.

6 Origuy  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:05:08pm

re: #1 thecommodore

I doubt it was her idea to have Fischer on the show. Some CNN producer has him on his contact list, and since the AFA made a fuss about the SPLC's event, decided it would make good television. The host, unless he or she is a big name, doesn't have much say in the guests.

7 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 7:15:14am

re: #3 Genshed

Historically incorrect. There WERE homosexual men in the Sturmabteilung, almost all of whom were purged after the Night of the Long Knives. The Schutzstaffel was the elite guard who replaced the blue-collar SA, and they were not receptive to homosexuality.

True, but those are not facts most people know about. The growth and nature of the SA and its leader, Erst Rohm, is not covered in history classes. Most people who fall for Fischer's lie never learned about Rohm's demand that the SA should take over the German Army to create a new "revolutionary force". Hitler needed the support of the generals, mostly to ensure he stayed in power but also because he knew that decapitating an army like that right before you start expanding it is not a good idea. Rohm was also a homosexual, and was supported by most of the homosexuals within the SA. Hitler used that as a justification when he moved to secure his power in the Night of the Long Knives.

But most people don't know all that, so if they are already socially conservative they may well find Fischer's lie plausible, finding it a lie they want to hear. Fischer preys upon ignorance and Costello was right to hand him his walking papers.

8 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 7:20:56am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

It should also be noted that Rohm's desire for wealth redistribution and Hitler's discomfort with the idea and purge of Rohm serve also as an argument against Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism. This should not however, be read to consider Goldberg to be the kind of liar that Fischer is. Jonah Goldberg made an ideologically-driven mistake in logic, Bryan Fischer told what he knew to be a falsehood. But those seeking to refute Goldberg can and should use Hitler's purge of Rohm to do so.

9 Destro  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 7:25:30am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

The homosexuality in the German military and all militaries of that era has been well documented. In fact, in that era, homosexuality (Gore Vidal famously said "there is no such thing as homosexuals just homosexual acts" and I think that describes the Victorian era up until WW2 very well) was rampant in the world back then in general because men lived segregated from women.

Winston Churchill's misattributed line about the British Navy comes to mind also.

In other words, homosexuality had nothing to do with why the Nazis were what they were.


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